Ειδικότητα στην Μεγάλη Βρετανία

[pas moi]

Όσοι πιστοί προσέλθετε

http://www.greekmeds...40

[pas moi]

Χαιρετώ παίδες,

just a quick advert:

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Fully equipped kitchen with washing machine.

Rent £750 +bills (approx £100) pcm.

To share with a 29yr old female non-medic.

Anyone interested pm me.

Τροποποιήθηκε 14 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από pas moi

[Alexandros Boukas]

Τα πράγματα έχουν αλλάξει.

Κάποιες ειδικότητες, πλεον, αν δεν έχεις σπουδάσει εδώ, αν δεν είσαι απο τα σπάργανα παιδί του συστήματος, απλά δε γίνεται να τις κάνεις.

Απλά και ξάστερα.

[cartsiu]

Καλησπέρα παιδιά,

είμαι ειδικευόμενος γυναικολογίας στην Ελλάδα, έχω κάνει δηλαδή 1 χρόνο γενική χειρουργική και 1,5 χρόνο γυναικολογία και σκέφτομαι να συνεχίσω στην Αγγλία μετά το καλοκαίρι με σκοπό να ολοκληρώσω την ειδικότητα εκεί και να αναγνωρίσω μέσω ΚΕΣΥ το χρόνο που θα κάνω εκεί. Επίσης το Μάρτιο θα δώσω το MRCOG Part 1. Έχω κάποιες απορίες: Οι θέσεις που θα πρέπει να κοιτάξω θα είναι Trust και σε τι επίπεδο; Υπάρχει κάτι εκτός αυτών των θέσεων που να διαρκεί 2 χρόνια (όσο θα θέλω για να τελειώσω εδώ) και να ταιριάζει στην περίπτωσή μου ή θα πρέπει να ψάχνω για 6μηνα - 1 χρόνο θέσεις; Γενικά τι να ψάξω για να κάνω αυτό που θέλω; Και τελευταίο και κύριο ερώτημα, καθώς οι θέσεις αυτές από ό,τι κατάλαβα είναι Non-Training, θα έχω πρόβλημα με την αναγνώριση του χρόνου στην Ελλάδα;

Thanks in advance

Τροποποιήθηκε 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από cartsiu

[sjjggst]

Δύο σχόλια για πρόσφατα posts που διάβασα:

-Έχω δουλέψει σε αρκετές διαφορετικές χώρες αλλά πρώτη φορά εδώ μέσα διάβασα πως είναι δυνατόν να πηγαινοφέρνεις τα χαρτιά σου χωρίς να έχουν σφραγίδα της Χάγης ή Apostille stamp για US. Όποιος το κατάφερε ήταν αρκετά τυχερός αλλά φαντάζομαι πως είναι η εξαίρεση.

-Κάποιος λέει πως γνώρισε Cons "ξενόφερτους", αυτό σίγουρα δεν γίνεται στις χειρ/κές ειδικότητες σε US, UK (εκτός κι αν εννοείς Καναδούς, Αυστραλούς).

Όποιος γνώρισε π.χ ΩΡΛ που έγινε (ή λέει ότι έγινε) Consultant χωρίς UK/US residency training αλλά με ειδικότητα από την Ελλάδα παρακαλώ πολύ να μου πει το όνομά του για να γελάσουμε. Δύο-τρεις ξέρω που έφτασαν κάποτε μέχρι specialty doctors, έως εκεί, παραπέρα δεν πάει.

[I.Ekdoseis pasxaLitsas.]

καλησπέρα.Έχει κανεις ασχοληθεί με αυτά τα site?

καμια ιδεα πως να τα εκμεταλευτουμε και πως δουλευουν?

[pas moi]

-Έχω δουλέψει σε αρκετές διαφορετικές χώρες αλλά πρώτη φορά εδώ μέσα διάβασα πως είναι δυνατόν να πηγαινοφέρνεις τα χαρτιά σου χωρίς να έχουν σφραγίδα της Χάγης ή Apostille stamp για US. Όποιος το κατάφερε ήταν αρκετά τυχερός αλλά φαντάζομαι πως είναι η εξαίρεση.

Σε δύο χώρες, μία εντός ΕΕ και μία εκτός, πτυχίο και προϋπηρεσία τα δέχτηκαν χωρίς σφραγίδα Χάγης. Για τυχερή δεν το κόβω. Μάλλον η εξαίρεση (όπως πάντα άλλωστε), αν όντως ισχύει αυτό που λες.

[Alexandros Boukas]

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από alexoulis

[MoNkEy mAn]

Προφανώς υπάρχουν consultant που έχουν κάνει ειδικότητα στο Ελλαδιστάν ή και αλλού (πχ ξέρω τύπο που έκανε Λετονία, κι άλλον ουγγαρία) προφανώς και έκαναν μπολικά χρόνια σαν clinical fellow/spr πρώτα.

Και ξέρω ορθοπεδικούς και γενικούς χειρουργούς τέτοιους, προσωπικά.

Και λέτε ότι θέλετε

[bromptonista]

South Africa (Consultant Plastic Surgeon και Clinical Lead στο Royal Free Hampstead): http://www.grobbelaar.org/main/curriculum_vitae.html

Και αφού ζητήθηκε Consultant ENT Surgeon, μια Ελληνίδα: http://www.lewisham.nhs.uk/our_services/surgery/ear,_nose__throat_ent/consultant_biographies.aspxl

Για επαρχία ούτε λόγος...

[Wicked Witch]

Would it be possible to offer us the bio of someone who got a UK consultant job having CCT'd overseas after 2007?

Even only 10y ago....the situation (competition, training et c ) was vastly different....

We do not live in the world of our forefathers.

Ours is a dystopian future with few genuine opportunities, 'interesting' times are a-coming

The current climate of 'excellence' proven by adherence to arbitrary rules and competition to the point of success being dictated by ticking more and more pre-decided boxes breeds a generation of individuals all perfectly evolved for the world of right now, but, discards all those outliers and odd balls who have in the past driven evolution by their very nature.

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από Mistress Bellissa

[bromptonista]

LOL! Για subgroup analysis χρεώνω έξτρα...

[Wicked Witch]

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/privatespecialists/find-a-doctor/ent-surgeons/anastasia-rachmanidou/

Your lady...became a UK consultant in the year 2000, 3y after her greek CCT and after some UK top up training....

[Alexandros Boukas]

i dont think this is the place to judge UK consultants for their jobs and their previous training.

The bottom line (who I believe all agree) is that if you are a trainee (National Training Number) then you have most chances to get a consultant post.

But, its not the only way. And we all know examples.

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από alexoulis

[Wicked Witch]

I was not commenting on anyone's suitability for their job, merely their career path.

Anyone can get an NHS consultant post if they can outdo the competition in proving that they possess the the knowledge and other 'essential' additional skills/competencies over and above clinical expertise that's needed to function in the NHS in that role.

​In the above sentence the use of the pronoun 'anyone' should not trick the hopeful/naive into ignoring the conjunction introducing a crucial conditional clause which essentially disqualifies all CCT holder greekies trained in greece .

Unconventional career paths may satisfy the conditional clause depending on the level of competition, but its getting increasingly harder to outshine the UK produced CCT holders...who have been bread for this very role for 8y!

I'm not moralising , I am simply explaining how this works.

Personally, I don't know a single soul with a non UK CCT who got an NHS consultant post, post 2007.Greek/other non UK med school graduates who completed their training in the UK have been factored in the workforce planing (NTN) and have equal chances of getting a consultant job to the brit UK CCT holders.It would be cruel and untrue to group these together with the rest of the greekie trained docs.

Private practise is a different matter.

I know plenty of consultant psychs who did not train in the UK, some who don't even have MRCPsych (!).

None of them was appointed recently.

I know plenty of UK CCT psychs who are struggling to get an NHS consultant job.

I know a few British born UK CCT psychs who recently moved to OZ/ NZ.

I know plenty of greek CCT holders who currently work as staff grades and claim down south that they are 'consultants'.

There IS plenty of hope for the young ones who can get an FY2 job and move on from there.

There is NO hope for the ones who are half way through training in greece (for reasons that we have discussed here ad nauseum)

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από Mistress Bellissa

[trivialx]

Not sure why you are insisting so much of people not be able to do something that they can. I sense it is either your experience or your wish. I have the list of post-2007 Greek trained-in-Greece consultants in a USB stick but I charge for this as well.

[gmits]

I know a greek doctor with greek CCT that was appointed Consultant Histopathologist in 2012 at a Teaching Hospital. She had no UK experiece. She was working in a greek hospital, applied from Greece, went to the interview and beat two UK CCT holders that were also local trainees.

Although it's quite rare, it can happen.

[Wicked Witch]

It is in my experience that greekies dont get consultant posts.

Clearly some of you have a different mind... its helpful to have a ...discussion, preferably with evidence.

I always try to explain my reasoning, and never claimed to have secret knowledge, USB sticks or otherwise, of anything.

Calling it 'my wish' that greekie greeks don't get consultant posts is insulting to me , and a petty comment on your part.

I have a particular dislike towards what I consider urban fairytales of success for reasons of my own . Wots your angle?

Almost everything happens as a consequence. Nothing happens for a reason.

Any more info on your heroine Gmits? Did she have any research? Friends in the UK?How experienced was she?What sort of job was it? what was wrong with the local trainees?

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από Mistress Bellissa

[gmits]

a/ I think she had done a Msc in the USA some years back, but I don't remember exactly on which field.

b/ No UK friends, no UK experience.

c/ She had been working as a Consultant (epimelitria) in Greece for 4-5 years.

d/ As I said, the job was that of a Consultant Pathologist at a Teaching Department, (Norwich University Hospital)

e/ I do not know the local trainees. But why should they have any problems? If you don't take a job at an interview,it doesn't mean that there is a problem...

[Wicked Witch]

a/ I think she had done a Msc in the USA some years back, but I don't remember exactly on which field.

...

c/ She had been working as a Consultant (epimelitria) in Greece for 4-5 years.

....

Unconventional career paths may satisfy the conditional clause , ...

e/ I do not know the local trainees. But why should they have any problems? If you don't take a job at an interview,it doesn't mean that there is a problem.

One can out-do the competition when they are very good....or...the competition is very poor

I've seen a job advertised where everybody who applied was considered un-appointable....eventually the least bad candidate got the job, (I personally knew all the candidates)

One year later and highly competent candidates are fighting for scraps coz no jobs are available.

Τροποποιήθηκε 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από Mistress Bellissa

[sjjggst]

Hi Lycos, thank you for posting us a romantic story of a South-African Plastic Surgeon who had been awarded the FRCS in...1994. I'm deeply touched.

Nevertheless, is that around 20 years ago or I'm counting wrong? By that time, another Greek guy grown up in Massachusetts was about to be the next President of United States!. Lovely times, but that's history of course, very helpful stories though...

About the Greek ENT Consultant with no UK residency training the link provided is blank, please be kind to give us some more detailed info. Let's hope that she's got the job after World War II.

[sjjggst]

Τέλος πάντων, η αλήθεια είναι πως είναι ελεεινά δύσκολο να βρεις θέση ως Consultant μόνο με Ειδίκευση από Ελλάδα, χιλιάδες συνάδελφοι το προσπάθησαν όλα αυτά τα χρόνια και κάποιοι έμειναν αρκετά χρόνια στο NHS , όμως ελάχιστοι το κατάφεραν.

Η πιθανότητα δεν είναι μηδενική, αλλά μάλλον απροσδιόριστη, τείνοντας προς το μείον άπειρο. Hope you are covered by my new statement.

[Alexandros Boukas]

τείνοντας προς το μείον άπειρο.

I am totally covered by this.

PS: Your lack of respect to colleagues, and your rate of reply everywhere in the forum, imply that you actually are not here to ask something or help others.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Τροποποιήθηκε 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 από alexoulis

[uk1]

Guys is that true that there not going to be any CST LAT posts in 2013??

[sjjggst]

I greatly appreciate it that many forum members share their experience with us, and others post their valuable opinions, especially when they provide strong evidences to support their views.

Never intended to insult Lycos. Sorry about that. I felt that his example was inappropriate and maybe I over-reacted. I do apologise.

Still, I strongly believe that it is almost impossible to get a Consultant job in UK nowadays following a Greek surgical residency training. Maybe my opinion is useful and well estimated by some junior doctors, asking about careers in UK. Maybe this is my way to help others, who knows. Nobody knows everything anyway and we all need help and guidance.

Regarding the rate of my involvement in forum discussions, I honestly don't get your point here. Upper limits are not defined and nobody needs any special approval to post anywhere, I guess. I enjoy my participation to the forums and the discussion. Having served in clinical, and mainly research and post-doctoral posts in a number of different countries allows me to join discussions in diverse topics within this Forum.

Cheers