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Outlook: Ελευθερία στην τέχνη;

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Τις προάλλες αποσύρθηκε ένας πίνακας από την έκθεση σύγχρονης τέχνης outlook, επειδή προκλήθηκαν αντιδράσεις για το "προσβλητικό" περιεχόμενό του.Ποιά η άποψή σας;  

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  1. 1. Τις προάλλες αποσύρθηκε ένας πίνακας από την έκθεση σύγχρονης τέχνης outlook, επειδή προκλήθηκαν αντιδράσεις για το "προσβλητικό" περιεχόμενό του.Ποιά η άποψή σας;

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elf Ειδικευόμενος (επίπεδο VII)

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Θέτω το θέμα προς συζήτηση. Πρόκειται για την απόσυρση του πίνακα του Τιερί Ντε Κορντιέ από την έκθεση Outlook, ο οποίος θεωρήθηκε οτι προσβάλλει το θρησκευτικό αίσθημα και την δημόσια αιδώ.

Ένα άρθρο που βρήκα αρκετά ενδιαφέρον είναι του Τεγόπουλου στην Κυριακάτικη Ελευθεροτυπία (http://www.enet.gr/online/online_p1_text.j...=110&id=3361460).

Χαρακτηριστικά παραθέτω το παρακάτω απόσπασμα:

ΠΕΝΤΕ ΑΠΟΨΕΙΣ διατυπώθηκαν υπέρ της απόσυρσης. Είναι συνοπτικά οι εξής: 1. Το θρησκευτικό συναίσθημα: χρησιμοποιήθηκε ανευλαβώς ένα κορυφαίο χριστιανικό σύμβολο. 2. Η δημόσια αιδώς: το έργο είναι άσεμνο. 3. Η προστασία της παιδικής ηλικίας: το βλέπουν και τα παιδιά. 4. Η καλλιτεχνική του αξία: δεν είναι δα και Μιχαήλ Αγγελος ή, απλούστερα, εμένα δεν μου άρεσε. 5. Η δημόσια τάξη: αν δεν αποσυρθεί, θα γίνουν βανδαλισμοί όπως αυτός που υποσχέθηκε ο κ. Εβερτ.

ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΕΠΙΧΕΙΡΗΜΑ δεν είναι αρκετό για να δικαιολογήσει την απόσυρση. Η ευλάβεια δεν είναι προϋπόθεση της καλλιτεχνικής έκφρασης. Ούτε η σεμνότητα. Η προστασία των παιδιών και η διαπαιδαγώγησή τους είναι υπόθεση των γονέων τους. Οχι της πολιτικής ή της δικαστικής εξουσίας. Δεν μπορεί να περιορίζεται η τέχνη, για τους εκφραστές και τους δέκτες της, σε ό,τι θεωρείται εκάστοτε κατάλληλο για τα παιδιά. Η καλλιτεχνική αξιολόγηση είναι πάντοτε υποκειμενική, του καθενός, όχι της εξουσίας. Και η δημόσια τάξη, μπορεί και πρέπει, να προστατεύεται αλλιώς. Αλλωστε, η απόσυρση ενθάρρυνε τους βανδαλισμούς που εκδηλώθηκαν την επομένη.

Τι λέτε;;; :forum:

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Dr. Feelgood Τελειόφοιτος (επίπεδο IV)

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Στενοχωριέμαι πάρα πολύ κάθε μα κάθε φορά που η ελληνική κοινωνία εμφανίζεται τόσο οπισθοδρομική, πουριτανιστική και καταλύουσα τα δικαιώματα έκφρασης των ανθρώπων...Θλίβομαι γιατί αυτά αποδεικνύονται τόσο συχνά τελευταία...

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BloodOmen Μεγαλογιατρός (επίπεδο VIII)

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Βασικά εγώ πειράζει που χάρηκα που κατέβασαν το έργο?

και καλά κάναν και σκίσαν και το βιασθέν παραφύσιν καρπούζι....

ΖΗΤΩ Η ΛΟΓΟΚΡΙΣΙΑ

άντε, γιατί όλοι αποκτήσαμε γνώμη ξαφνικά

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synnefaki Τελειόφοιτος (επίπεδο IV)

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Δεν μπορώ παρά να συμφωνήσω με την Ελευθεροτυπία , την εφημερίδα των τρομοκρατών.

Τη δουλειά της κάνει άλλωστε. Έτσι έχτισε αυτό το γυάλινο παλάτι στο Νέο Κόσμο.

Επίσης , συμφωνώ ότι δεν πρέπει να κατεβεί το έργο.

Αυτό , όμως , που δεν καταλαβαίνω είναι γιατί το ελληνικό κράτος να δίνει τόσα δισεκατομμύρια σε αυτές τις αρλούμπες (ας τα εκθέσουν τσάμπα , αυτό είναι τέχνη , ελεύθερη και ανιδιοτελής , όχι να τα μοσχοπουλούν), τη στιγμή που δεν δίνει τις αποζημιώσεις (που έιναι λιγότερα λεφτά , σε αυτούς που έχασαν τις περιουσίες τους από τις απαλλοτριώσεις των ολυμπιακών έργων;

Κι όπως έλεγε και ο μεγάλος ποιητής της Αρλούμπας Φαμφάρας:

Ασπρα κοράκια , μαύρα κοράκια...

(το να χειροκροτήσεις το Φαμφάρα , είναι "λογικό" . Το να τον χρυσοπληρώσεις όμως; )

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warrior Τελειόφοιτος (επίπεδο IV)

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Καταρχήν, ο τίτλος "ελευθερία στην τέχνη",είναι εντελώς παραπλανητικός.

Προσβάλλει και την τέχνη και τους καλλιτέχνες.

Ελευθερία στην τέχνη,ναι.Αυτό δεν είναι τέχνη.Είναι η απεικόνιση της μαλακείας που δέρνει το μυαλό!

Σε κάθε περίπτωσει ο τύπος είναι εντέλως ξεδιάντροπος!Όχι γιατί μας δείχνει ένα καυλί μπροστά από τα ιερά και όσια,αλλά γιατί έχει το θράσος να μας το παρουσιάζει ως τέχνη! :lol:

Η τέχνη υποτίθεται ότι προάγει τον πολιτισμό.Απαραίτητη προϋπόθεση είναι να τον σέβεται και όχι να τον προσβάλλει(ο σταυρός είναι ένα από τα σύμβολα του πολιτισμού μας).

Ο πραγματικός καλλιτέχνης είναι ικανός να περνάει νοήματα,χωρίς να χρησιμοποιεί απερίσκεπτα το προφανές.Ο τύπος απλά δεν κατέχει τα μέσα του.Τενεκές που κάνει πολύ θόρυβο.Αλλά ακόμα χειρότεροι τενεκέδες, είναι αυτοί της επιτροπής που επέλεξε αυτό το έργο για να μπει στην έκθεση(που ούτως ή άλλως ήταν του...)

Εξάλλου ο καθένας ας μαλακίζεται όσο θέλει ,αλλά όχι δημόσια.

Οπότε Ναι στην ελευθερία της τέχνης!

Αρκεί να πρόκειται για τέχνη και όχι να χρησιμοποιείται ο χαρακτηρισμός τέχνη ως άλλοθι.

Αλλιώς θα πάρω κι εγώ τα μαγικά ματζούνια μου και θα αρχίσω να θεραπεύω κόσμο,επικαλούμενη ιατρική ιδιότητα...

Και πρώτα πρώτα θα ξεκινήσω από τον Κορμπιέ... :splats:

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BloodOmen Μεγαλογιατρός (επίπεδο VIII)

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ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣ Π. ΨΥΧΑΡΗΣ

H μικρή θύελλα που ξέσπασε γύρω από την ανάρτηση και την αποκαθήλωση ενός έργου «τέχνης», προκλητικού για τους πιστούς μα και για όσους θεωρούν τέτοιου είδους κενές προκλήσεις άσχετες προς αυτό που συνηθίσαμε να ονομάζομε εικαστική τέχνη, δίνει το μέτρο της ευαισθησίας - με άλλα λόγια, της ταυτότητας - της σημερινής ελληνικής κοινωνίας. Το θέμα του έργου είναι γνωστό από τον Τύπο και την τηλεόραση. Ενα χριστιανικό σύμβολο συνδυασμένο με σεξουαλικές διεγέρσεις. Συνδυασμός με τον οποίον ο δημιουργός του έργου επεδίωξε (και επέτυχε) να σκανδαλίσει την Κοινή Γνώμη, ή τουλάχιστον τμήμα της.

Το σκάνδαλο έχει πια καταλαγιάσει, μα παραμένουν αναπάντητα - και πιθανόν να παραμείνουν αναπάντητα για πολύ χρόνο ακόμη - ερωτήματα σχετικά με τον ορισμό και το περιεχόμενο κάθε χειρονομίας που προβάλλεται ως «καλλιτεχνική» αλλά στοχεύει και σε πρόκληση. Αυτό δεν είναι κάτι πρωτόφαντο στη λογοτεχνία, στις εικαστικές τέχνες ή και στη μουσική· ας θυμηθούμε πως το ανέβασμα έργων πρωτοποριακών σαν τη «Σαλώμη» του Οσκαρ Γουάιλντ και του Ρίχαρντ Στράους απαγορεύθηκε στις «φιλελεύθερες» Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες στις αρχές του 20ού αιώνα.

Το μουστάκι που προσέθεσε ένας γάλλος υπερρεαλιστής στην «Τζιοκόντα» του Λεονάρντο ντα Βίντσι και λογοτεχνήματα σαν τη «Λαίδη Τσάτερλι» του Λόρενς και τον «Τροπικό του Αιγόκερω» του Χένρι Μίλερ ανήκουν και αυτά στην κατηγορία έργων που είναι σήμερα αποδεκτά ενώ ο εικονοκλαστικός τους χαρακτήρας τα έθετε, για μία ή δύο γενεές, στο περιθώριο της «αποδεκτής» τέχνης, σε αρκετές ευρωπαϊκές χώρες.

Γι' αυτόν τον λόγο, κάθε συζήτηση περί του πρέποντος ή μη στον χώρο της καλλιτεχνικής και πνευματικής δημιουργίας σφραγίζεται από την ιδιαιτερότητα του κοινωνικού περιβάλλοντος. Ως και σήμερα ακόμη, οι ανδρικές μορφές στην «Ημέρα της Κρίσεως» του Μιχαήλ Αγγέλου παραμένουν σεμνότυφα επενδεδυμένες, καθώς το Βατικανό θεωρεί τη γύμνια τους επιδεικτικά προκλητική.

Ποια στάση πρέπει λοιπόν να τηρήσει η Πολιτεία σε τέτοιες ακραίες περιπτώσεις; Να χαρακτηρίσει τα έργα απαράδεκτα για δημόσια θέα ή να ανεχθεί τις όποιες «εμπνεύσεις» προτείνει ο καλλιτέχνης;

Μια πρώτη απάντηση θα ήταν ότι δεν επιτρέπεται να ισχύουν δύο μέτρα και δύο σταθμά. Οταν τα περίπτερα βρίθουν πορνογραφικών εντύπων, θα υπέθετε κανείς ότι το αποκαθηλωθέν έργο δεν θα προκαλούσε τέτοιο σάλο. Με μία όμως διαφορά - και μάλιστα πολύ ουσιαστική: η πρόκληση δεν αφορούσε κοινωνική συμπεριφορά ή σεξουαλική επίδειξη, αλλά την προσβολή θρησκευτικών συμβόλων. Και εδώ πια, κάθε κοινωνία έχει δικαίωμα να προστατεύει, κατά το δοκούν και με εκπεφρασμένη την έγκριση της Κοινής Γνώμης, τους πολίτες, εφόσον θεωρεί ότι το προβαλλόμενο ως καλλιτεχνικό δημιούργημα στοχεύει σε σκάνδαλο εις βάρος θεσμών ή θρησκευτικής πίστης.

Στη Γαλλία απαγορεύθηκε το ισλαμικό πέπλο σε μαθήτριες των σχολείων, όπως και το εβραϊκό καλπάκι, με το επιχείρημα ότι δεν νοείται προκλητική επίδειξη θρησκευτικών δοξασιών στον χώρο της εκπαίδευσης. Εκτός σχολείου, τα ίδια αυτά σύμβολα πίστης επιτρέπονται στον καθένα. Στην περίπτωση του έργου που προκάλεσε αντιδράσεις πολιτικών και θρησκευτικών προσωπικοτήτων θα μπορούσε ενδεχομένως να επιτραπεί η θέα του σε όσους το ζητήσουν, όχι σε χώρο δημόσιο, αλλά περιορισμένο.

Ποια όμως θα είναι η εξέλιξη των κοινωνικών ηθών και των «ταμπού» στα χρόνια που έρχονται δεν μπορεί κανείς να προσδιορίσει. H Ιστορία διδάσκει ότι η στάση των κοινωνιών απέναντι σε έργα γραμμάτων και τεχνών (προκλητικά ή μη) μεταβάλλεται από γενιά σε γενιά...

ΤΟ ΒΗΜΑ , 14-12-2003

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ΥΓ. κλόπιράιτ από Nievsky :lol::lol:

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vasso Ιατρός (επίπεδο V)

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Ωραία, και τι καταλάβατε δηλαδή που κατέβηκε, όσοι θίγεστε από το συγκεκριμένο έργο; Ο συγκεκριμένος "καλλιτέχνης" αυτή τη στιγμή τρίβει με ικανοποίηση τα χέρια του γιατί τώρα τον ξέρει και η τελευταία γιαγιά στην Άνω Στεμνίτσα. Ποιος τον ήξερε πριν; Η αρνητική διαφήμιση για έναν καλλιτέχνη είναι θεμιτή! Όπως χαρακτηριστικά λέγεται, την αφάνεια και την αδιαφορία μισούν οι καλλιτέχνες. Είτε σε εκθειάζουν, είτε σε βρίζουν για καλό είναι.

Επομένως:

Λογοκρισία=> Διαφήμιση=> Δημοσιότητα=> Ενθάρρυνση του καλλιτέχνη=> Περισσότερες και πιο ακραίες μαλακίες στο μέλλον=> Περισσότερη δημοσιότητα κ.ο.κ!

Α και κάτι άλλο! Μπορεί μερικά παιδάκια να είχαν γλιτώσει από το θέαμα του πέους με το σταυρό αφού δεν πήγαν με τους γονείς τους στην έκθεση, αλλά το έργο έγινε πανελληνίως γνωστό από τηλεοράσεις, εφημερίδες κτλ ώστε πλέον το έχει δει μέχρι και 7χρονο ξαδερφάκι μου!

Συμπέρασμα: Η καλύτερη λογοκρισία για έναν καλλιτέχνη είναι η αδιαφορία.

ΥΓ: Η "εφημερίδα των τρομοκρατών", synnefaki, έχει οργανώσει τόσα φεστιβάλ μουσικά και κινηματογραφικά, τόσες εκθέσεις και έχει στηρίξει τόσα καλλιτεχνικά γεγονότα που κάνει οποιαδήποτε "συντηρητική" εφημερίδα να δείχνει γελοία για τα θέματα που φιλοξενεί στις πολιτιστικές της στήλες.

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Δεν μπορώ παρά να συμφωνήσω με την Ελευθεροτυπία , την εφημερίδα των τρομοκρατών.

Τη δουλειά της κάνει άλλωστε. Έτσι έχτισε αυτό το γυάλινο παλάτι στο Νέο Κόσμο.

καλό είναι να βγάλεις το χρώμα των άλλων και να αφήσεις τα δικά σου μάτια να βλέπουν..

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Το έργο να μην κατέβει

Κανείς "άσχετος" να μην ασχολείται με το τι κάνει το έργο.

Ο υπεύθυνος της έκθεσης ... (άτομο που πρέπει να ξέρει καλά την δουλειά του) κρίνει άμα το έργο θίγει την προσωπική αισθητική ανθρώπων (όπως εδώ τα θρησκευτικά πιστεύω τους) και το τοποθετεί σε άλλη αίθουσα όπου απαγορεύεται η είσοδος σε παιδιά και ενημερώνονται οι ενήλικες για το τι πάνε να δούνε.

Τέλος, επιλέγεις εάν θα μπεις στην αίθουσα ή όχι.

Εγώ δεν θα έμπαινα, αλλά δεν μπορώ να στερήσω το δικαίωμα από έστω ΕΝΑΝ που θέλει να το δει.

ΔΕΝ είναι επιστημονική φαντασία.

Το παραπάνω γίνεται.... αλλά όχι στην Ελλάδα.

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Because art is comparable to a folder rather than a file, its definition is subjective. It is determined by individual fiat. It will be whatever you wish to put into its folder.

For purposes of this page I give it my personal definition.

Art is anything that people add to their 'output' which is not functionally necessary and is other than the default properties of that output.

Example: The default leg of a chair (output) may be a long rectangular square. If its maker tapers the ends for no other reason than personal aesthetic preference, that tapering is art. If he tapers it for a functional (mechanical) reason it is part of 'engineering design' and not art. If he makes the leg round as on a lathe it may or may not be an artistic decision.

If for looks - artistic.

If to make it less likely to splinter or cause stubbed toe injuries, etc. it is engineering design.

There are two main aspects of art which cause the most debate.

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synnefaki Τελειόφοιτος (επίπεδο IV)

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παρεξήγηση:

Η Ελευθεροτυπία είναι η εφημερίδα των τρομοκρατών, όχι γιατί η ίδια ήταν η 17Ν , αλλά γιατί ήταν η αγαπημένη τους . Τη γουστάρανε. Ο Κουφοντίνας έιχε ερωτευτεί τόσο , μα τόσο πολύ την εφημερίδα αυτή , που της έστελνε ερωτικά γράμματα= όλες τις προκηρήξεις.

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Τίποτα δεν είναι τυχαίο στον κόσμο τούτο!!!

Όσο για τα ένθετα και τα πολιτιστικά που κάνει , όλα είναι θέμα χρημάτων , χρημάτων, χρημάτων .

Και όταν (όλως τυχαίως) το ΠΑΣΟΚ δίνει χρήματα ΜΟΝΟ σ` αυτές τις εφημερίδες για ένθετα , κρατική διαφήμιση για ΟΠΑΠ (βλέπε... κολλημένος με τη μπάλα...), τους περισσεύουν και μερικά ψίχουλα για άλλες εκδηλώσεις.

Μάλλον , αυτοί έχουν έχουν ένα χρώμα στα μάτια τους και δεν βλέπουν το χρώμα των άλλων...

Άρα , που η αντικειμενικότητα της φυλλάδας αυτής;

Δεν βαρεθήκατε μιλάτε για ανεξάρτητη ενημέρωση στην Ελλάδα , τη στιγμή που όλες τους έιναι χρωματισμένες και δεν το κρύβουν;

Όσο για τον Ψυχάρη , αν περιμέναμε από αυτόν τον ΑΝΤΡΑ , διοικητή του Αγίου Όρους (να μην φάει κι αυτός τα δις του ...) να μας πει τι να κάνουμε, καλύτερα να γινόμασταν όλοι ανώμαλοι (που είναι και ιδιαίτερα της μόδας τελευταία...)

Πρόταση:Ας φτιάξουν και έναν πίνακα που να εκσπερματώνει στην ημισέληνο , και θα τους πω εγώ αν θα βγάλουν την εβδομάδα!

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Ποιος μίλησε για χρώματα και κόμματα σε αυτό το topic ρε συ synnefaki? Για Τέχνη μιλάμε εδώ και πολιτισμό...

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Νομίζω ότι αγνοούμε το πρόσωπο κλειδί της ιστορίας , το οποίο βεβαίως είναι η κυρία με το καρπούζι. Δεν μου το βγάζεις από το μυαλό ότι η συγκεκριμένη κυρία πήγε εκεί, εμπνευσμένη από τον Ευαγγελάτο, για να δώσει την δική της παράσταση. Φτάνοντας εκεί όταν πλέον το 1ο έργο είχε αποσυρθεί, και μη βλέποντας κάτι αντίστοιχο ,η τύπισσα, αγανακτισμένη με τα κρατικά μονοπώλια που στραγγαλίζουν την ιδιωτική πρωτοβουλία ακόμη και στον τομέα λογοκρισίας, αποφασίζει να ψάξει όλη την έκθεση για κάτι που θα προσβάλει τα ήθη της (ε, δε θάναι δα και τόσο δύσκολο! θα κατεβάσουμε λίγο το threshold της αγανάκτησης μας)

Όπα! Τι κανείς στο καρπούζι ρε! το ιερό σύμβολο της ελληνικής φύσης κουτουπώνεις? Θα σε σκίσω ρε μούλε! ΧΡΡΑΑΑΠ!

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Κατά βάθος ήταν μια αφοσιωμένη performance artist η οποία δεν άντεξε να μην συνεισφέρει στο γίγνεσθαι μιας έκθεσης μοντέρνας τέχνης.

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synnefaki Τελειόφοιτος (επίπεδο IV)

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πριν πάω διακοπές φίλε sovereign (τελικά δεν πήρες τηλέφωνο που έλεγες...)

θα σου πω ότι το θέμα είναι όντως πολιτικό, διότι η πολιτική ηγεσία έδωσε το ok να πληρωθεί από το κρατικό ταμείο της Ελλάδας και να ανεβεί το έργο αυτό.

Δεν ήταν μια απλή έκθεση σε κάποια gallery. Ήταν κρατική έκθεση και επομένως σαν πολίτες του κράτους έχουμε λόγο και τον διεκδικούμε.

Στο κάτω -κάτω είναι πολιτιστική ολυμπιάδα και σε αυτήν συμμετέχουν οι πρωταθλητές της τέχνης (όπως και του αθλητισμού στα αθλητικά δρώμενα) και όχι ο κάθε τυχάρπαστος καλλιτεχνίσκος που δεν τον ξέρει ούτε η μάνα του.

Πολιτική είναι η τέχνη να μην ασχολούμαστε με αυτά που θα έπρεπε να ασχολούμαστε.

Αν αδιαφορήσουμε για αυτές τις προκλητικές σπατάλες , παράγουμε πολιτική, και μάλιστα την πολιτική που θέλουν να μας περάσουν.

Οι μεγάλες αξίες του πολιτισμού δεν χαρίστηκαν από κανέναν. Και η δημοκρατία είναι μια κατάκτηση που θα πρέπει να την περιφρουρήσουμε. Η χυδαιότητα σε κανέναν πολιτισμό δεν συνιστά αξία , για την οποία και θα πρέπει το δημόσιο ταμείο να είναι ευγενικός χορηγός τόσων εκατομμυρίων.

Δεν είναι δημοκρατικό να επιβάλλουμε το καταφανώς παράλογο και χυδαίο ως υπέρτατη αξία του πολιτισμού , μόνο και μόνο επειδή αυτό αναπαράγεται από τα "δημοκρατικά " κανάλια και έντυπα , κατά επαναλαμβανόμενο και μονομερή τρόπο

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Αν τελικά αυτό επιβληθεί , σημαίνει ότι κάτι σοβαρό συμβαίνει εδώ στην Ελλάδα (γι` αυτό και σημειώνουν πρωτοφανή ακμή οι ψυχαναλυτές , ψυχολόγοι , ψυχίατροι , μελλοντολόγοι , Δρούζα κτλ. ), και όχι ότι ξαφνικά γίναμε κοινωνία της ανοχής.

Σε καμμία πινακοθήκη και επίσημη έκθεση του εξωτερικού δεν θα ανέβαιναν με κρατικά χρήματα τέτοιες αρλούμπες (πίστεψέ με , έχω πάει σε πολλές εκθέσεις εκεί , και ποτέ δεν είδα τέτοια ).

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Οφείλω να ομολογήσω ότι συμφωνώ με την προλαλήσασα(καλά το γραψα Φίλιππε?). Το επιχείρημά της στέκει. Αφού η έκθεση είναι κρατική, και κατά συνέπεια ο καθένας μας τη χρηματοδοτεί άθελά του, μπορεί να απαιτήσει να μην υπάρχουν έργα που να προσβάλλουν τα ήθη και τα έθιμά του. Βέβαια, αυτό δεν σημαίνει ότι μπορεί ο καθένας να πηγαίνει να τα σκίζει ή να τα κατεβάζει, με προσωπική του πρωτοβουλία. Αν πρόσεχε λίγο το υπουργείο πολιτισμού τι χρηματοδοτεί, δεν θα γίνονταν τέτοια ευτράπελα.Και όχι από την άποψη της καλλιτεχνικης αξίας των έργων, αυτό είναι καθαρα υποκείμενικό, και το αν είναι καλλιτέχνες ή καλλιτεχνίσκοι άγνωστοι που δεν αρμόζουν σε μια ολυμπιάδα, αυτό θα το κρίνει ο χρόνος. Αλλά από την άποψη της πολιτικής και της διπλωματίας. Προεκλογική περίοδος είναι, και όλοι τους την έχουν στημένη στη γωνία. Δεν μπορούσαν να προβλέψουν οτι ένα θέμα με "ανηθικότητα και προσβολή της δημοσίας αιδούς και θρησκείας" θα στρεφόταν εναντίον τους;

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MPRABO bloody :D :yesdude:

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Με συγχωρείτε που παρεμβαίνω στον καλλιτεχνικό σας οίστρο, αλλά, αν θα θέλατε, ρωτήστε έτσι αρκετά άτομα, να δούμε τι θα έλεγαν , και αν ο αποτροπιασμός είναι αποκλειστικό μειονέκτημα των φανατισμένων και των θρησκόληπτων. Ξέρετε ΠΟΣΑ ξόδεψε το ελληνικό κράτος για αυτήν την έκθεση? ΚΑι μιλάμε για δημόσιο χρήμα, έτσι? Αν το ελληνικό κράτος έχει όρεξη να χρηματοδοτήσει την τέχνη, γιατί δεν αυξάνει τις επιδοτήσεις στα μουσεία μας? Δεν επιχορηγεί τις αναπαλαιώσεις κτισμάτων που καταρρέουν στην παλιά πόλη της Ξάνθης και άλλων πόλεων? Γιατί δεν δίνει λεφτά για ανασκαφές?Γιατί, στο κάτω κάτω, δεν επιχορηγεί προγράμματα μουσικής και θεατρικής παιδείας σε ΟΛΑ τα σχολεία? Αν τα κάναμε όοοοολα αυτά, φίλοι μου, τότε ας συζητούσαμε και περί μοντέρνας τέχνης και λογοκρισίας. Επίσης, περιμένω από τους ένθερμους υποστηρικτές ότι θα αναρτήσουν ένα τουλάχιστον αντίγραφο της εν λόγω έκθεσης σε περίοπτη θέση στον προσωπικό τους χώρο, έτσι? ΝΑ κάνουμε και πράξη αυτά που υπερασπιζόμαστε.

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Εγώ που είμαι απλά υποστηρικτής της ελευθερίας στη διακίνηση των ιδεών και φανατικός πολέμιος της οποιασδήποτε λογοκρισίας στην Τέχνη, τι να αναρτήσω και πού; Γιατί υπάρχουν και αυτοί, samwise. Ας μην ξεκινήσουμε πάλι κουβέντα για το ότι δεν υπάρχουν πάντα πράσινοι και μπλε, αλλά και κίτρινοι, συντηρητικοί και ασύδοτοι αλλά και ελεύθεροι, φανατικοί και ακόμα πιο φανατικοί αλλά και απλά προβληματιζόμενοι.

Η συγκεκριμένη έκθεση διαφήμισε την Ελλάδα στο εξωτερικό, όσο κι αν είναι δύσκολο να το συνειδητοποιήσουν ορισμένοι. Οι γραφικές αντιδράσεις μας είναι που μας δυσφημούν. Όποιος γνωρίζει το καλλιτεχνικό δίδυμο "Gilbert and George" γνωρίζει καλά τι σημαίνει παγκοσμίως αναγνωρισμένη ακραία μορφή τέχνης (τέχνη με αίμα, σπέρμα και κόπρανα-ναι, όπως το ακούτε). Και άσχετα αν γουστάρουμε ή ανεχόμαστε τέτοιες μορφές Τέχνης, κάποια κράτη επιχορηγούν τέτοιες εκθέσεις και ακόμα πιο ακραίες. Όποιος έχει ζήσει στο εξωτερικό, synnefaki, το γνωρίζει πολύ καλά αυτό.

Ας σταματήσει η υποκρισία. Σιγά που κόπτεστε για το πού πηγαίνει το δημόσιο χρήμα! Απλά το έργο δεν ήταν του γούστου σας, thats all. Και στην τελική, ΠΟΣΑ ξόδεψε το ελληνικό κράτος για αυτή την έκθεση; Περιμένω νούμερα που να αποδεικνύουν πόσο επιβαρύνθηκε ο έλλην πολίτης από το έργο που δεν βρήκατε "πρέπον". Συγκεκριμένα νούμερα όμως!

ΥΓ: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-13-2003-48584.asp

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που ξέρεις??μπορει και κάποιοι...κοντόφθαλμοι* ή απαιδευτοι* άνθρωποι για τα αγαλματα αυτά να εκφράσουν την άποψη οχι οτι είναι ντεπασέ αλλά...χυδαία ή οτι προσβάλλουν το χριστιανικό συναισθημα τούς σαν δημιουργήματα ειδωλολατρών ή... ή... ή...

τότε τι θα γίνει...θα προσπαθήσουμε να τους πείσουμε ή να τους επιβάλλουμε την κατ'αλλα ευρέως αποδεκτή γνώμη ή να τους λογοκρίνουμε???

σ'αυτά τα θέματα βασιλευει μόνο η υποκειμενικότητα....αλλά για να μην γινει η "βασιλεία" της γίνει στυγνή απολυταρχία , θα πρεπει να συμβαδιζει με το σεβασμό και την ελευθερία να αφήνεται να προσεγγίζει κάποιος εργα τέχνης,χωρίς να κατακρίνεται ή να εμποδίζεται απο τους άλλους

(η επίσκεψη στην έκθεση οutlook δεν ειναι υποχρεωτική...ουτε παρέχεται χαρτί αισθητικών φρονημάτων με την επίσκεψη...

η τηλεοραση ειναι η μόνη κατακριτέα που ενα μικρό και ,ίσως, μη αντιπροσωπευτικό κομμάτι της έκθεσης το έφερε απρόσκλητα και αδιάκριτα σ'όλα τα σπίτια με μόνο σκοπό το να σκανδαλίσει...)

σε ένα εργο τέχνης ο καθένας μας αποκλειστικά θα καθορίσει αν θα κερδίσει μερίδιο σκέψης μέσα του ή ,αντίθετα, αν θα το αγνοήσει...γιατί στην περίπτωση αυτή, στην τέχνη, η σιωπή ειναι χρυσός και υποδηλώνει ωριμότητα διαχειρισης των συναισθημάτων των εκπορευόμενων απο το κάθε έργο ειτε κερδίζω κάτι απο αυτό ειτε όχι...

δεν έχουμε να φοβηθούμε κάτι απο το έργο...δεν θα γίνουμε χυδαιότεροι ή λιγότερο καλοι χριστιανοί ή λιγότερο.... φυσιολάτρες. Το μόνο που έχουμε να φοβηθούμε ειναι οι ανεπάρκειες μας και τα κόμπλεξ μας...

"αν μεν η σκέψις μας υψηλή", τότε έχουμε και υψηλές αντιστάσεις και άμυνες , οπότε μπορούμε αναλόγως να πράξουμε με μόνο οπλο την επίδειξη αδιαφορίας ή/και την "καθαίρεση" μονάχα στη συνειδησή μας και όχι τις υστερικές καταστάσεις, τις καταγγελίες, τους βανδαλισμούς,την επίκληση και πάλι του "κράτους" (στο πεδίο της συνειδησής μας και της προσωπικής μας ευθύνης δεν έχει θέση το κράτος!), την άκριτη ταξονόμηση των επισκεπτών σε κατηγορίες (χυδαιοι,μοντέρνοι, εκλεπτυσμένοι,απαιδευτοι κ.ο.κ.)*...

....μέσα απο πειραματισμούς και νεες προτάσεις αισθητικής με το πέρασμα των χρόνων και το ξεκαθάρισμα μεσω της ατομικής συνείδησης μπορεί να προκύψει κάποιος νεός δρόμος που τελικά να προάγει την τέχνη...σαμπως , έτσι δεν έγινε και στη ζωγραφική του 14ου-16ου

, που κάποιοι τολμηροί ζωγράφοι με πρόσχημα οτι ζωγράφιζαν την Μαρία Παρθένο (το τότε αποδεκτό πλαίσιο τέχνης, η θρησκευτική ζωγραφική) έκαναν πειραματισμούς με στάσεις, βλέμματα και φόντα που

ουδέποτε θα ήταν αποδεκτά αν η εικονιζόμενη γυναικα δεν "ονομαζόταν" Παναγία...και έτσι άνοιξαν σιγά-σιγά το δρόμο για την ελευθερη απεικόνιση και να φτάσουμε κάποτε στα αριστουργήματα του 18ου-19ου αι. Γιατί περίπου το ίδιο δεν συνέβη και με τον Πικάσο, τον Καντίνσκι??

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Samwise, έχεις πάει στην έκθεση, καλή μου; Γιατί δεν έχει νόημα να την χαρακτηρίζεις αν δεν την έχεις επισκευθεί, έτσι;

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Θεωρω απαραδεκτο,οπισθοδρομικο και φασιστικο το να μου στερειται το δικαιωμα να δω καποια εργα τεχνης.........Γιατι για μενα μπορει οντως να ειναι τεχνη,μπορει και οχι...αλλα θα επρεπε να εχω το δικαιωμα να κρινω μονη μου κι οχι να αποφασιζουν καποιοι αλλοι για μενα........Δεν σε αναγκασε κανενας να πας,εμενα ομως μου στερησαν το διακαιωμα του να παω...Το ενα ειναι δημοκρατικο και το αλλο χουντικο και αναχρονιστικο...............

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Filippos Ειδικευόμενος (επίπεδο VII)

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Aπό το www.in.gr (αποσπάσματα):

"Ο πρεσβευτής του Ισραήλ στη Σουηδία δέχθηκε τα συγχαρητήρια του Ισραηλινού προέδρου Αριέλ Σαρόν επειδή βανδάλισε έργο τέχνης που απεικόνιζε μια Παλαιστίνια βομβίστρα.

Όπως αναφέρει την Κυριακή το BBC, o διπλωμάτης Ζβι Μάζελ πέταξε ένα φωτιστικό σώμα σε εγκατάσταση που εκτίθεται στο Μουσείο Αρχαιοτήτων της Στοκχόλμης, στην οποία η φωτογραφία της 19χρονης Παλαιστίνιας Χαναντί Ζαραντάτ είχε τοποθετηθεί ως ιστίο σε βάρκα που επέπλεε σε μια λίμνη από κόκκινο υγρό.

Τον περασμένο Οκτώβριο η Ζαραντάτ είχε πραγματοποιήσει στη Χάιφα επίθεση αυτοκτονίας, η οποία κόστισε τη ζωή σε 19 Ισραηλίτες.

«Τηλεφώνησα στον πρεσβευτή μας στη Σουηδία Ζβι Μάζελ χθες το βράδυ και τον ευχαρίστησα για τη δύναμή του στην αντιμετώπιση του αυξανόμενου αντισημιτισμού και του είπα ότι σύσσωμη η κυβέρνηση τον υποστηρίζει» ανακοίνωσε ο Σαρόν στη διάρκεια υπουργικού συμβουλίου.

Ο διευθυντής του μουσείου Κρίστιαν Μπεργκ δήλωσε από την πλευρά του: «Ο καθένας μπορεί να έχει άποψη για το τι εκφράζει αυτό το έργο τέχνης, αλλά ποτέ, μα ποτέ, δεν επιτρέπεται να χρησιμοποιείται βία και ποτέ δεν επιτρέπεται να αποσιωπάται ο καλλιτέχνης».

Ο Μπεργκ δήλωσε πως το έργο θα παραμείνει στην έκθεση."

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