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ΕΡΓΑΣΙΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΓΓΛΙΑ ΧΩΡΙΣ UK ΠΡΟΥΠΗΡΕΣΙΑ


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In theory, a CCT holder from greece is eligible to be on the specialist register and should apply for a consultant job.No UK exams or extra training is needed ( emkiss EU)

In practice...without a UK background (audit, research, management experience,leadership et c), you will never get that job.

A CCT holder can NOT apply for a training job in their own specialty (experience restrictions apply).

A CCT holder can locum at consultant level (and below), apply for a training job in a different specialty, or apply for a staff grade job.

PS A training job is CT1,2 (old SHO grade) or, ST3-6 (old reg grade).Get the terminology right people emoops

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In theory, a CCT holder from greece is eligible to be on the specialist register and should apply for a consultant job.No UK exams or extra training is needed ( emkiss EU)

In practice...without a UK background (audit, research, management experience,leadership et c), you will never get that job.

A CCT holder can NOT apply for a training job in their own specialty (experience restrictions apply).

A CCT holder can locum at consultant level (and below), apply for a training job in a different specialty, or apply for a staff grade job.

PS A training job is CT1,2 (old SHO grade) or, ST3-6 (old reg grade).Get the terminology right people emoops

Exactly! Totally agree. For someone with a greek CCT in Obs/Gynae the best option would be to try to get a foothold in the system (attachment or locun) and then explore his/her options. Many clinical specialties offer fellowships, I don't know if this applies in Obs/Gynae. A consultant job without detailed knowledge of the UK system is almost impossible.

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In theory, a CCT holder from greece is eligible to be on the specialist register and should apply for a consultant job.No UK exams or extra training is needed ( emkiss EU)

In practice...without a UK background (audit, research, management experience,leadership et c), you will never get that job.

A CCT holder can NOT apply for a training job in their own specialty (experience restrictions apply).

A CCT holder can locum at consultant level (and below), apply for a training job in a different specialty, or apply for a staff grade job.

PS A training job is CT1,2 (old SHO grade) or, ST3-6 (old reg grade).Get the terminology right people emoops

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φιλε εννοει οτι δεν μπορεις να πας σε εκπαιδευτικη θεση δηλαδη σε θεση ειδικευομενου.

staff grade or clinical fellow ειναι οι θεσεις για εσενα.

φιλος μου παντως ειχε θεση senior registrar.. ας μας δωσουν τα φωτα τους οι.."παλιοι"

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γιατι δεν ειναι δυνατόν να κάνω αίτηση για training job στην ειδικότητα μου;

If you have a CCT equivalent from an EU country you can/should get on the 'specialist register'.

Its absurd to ask to be retrained in the same specialty!

...If you were to lie in your CV:

that you trained for years in Greece but you never got your CCT:'are you a failing trainee Doctor?!wots wrong with you?'

->no UK membership exams, you won't be eligible to apply for a higher trainee (ST3+ = reg) post : apply at CT1 level...not worth it financially when the alternative is locums at consultant level.

If you lie and they find out its a Very Bad Thing.

Note:A Tittlos Idekottitas gets you on the specialist register, no questions asked, no R. College membership exams needed.

Having trained for 2+ years in greece, without having passed the relevant Royal C. exams does NOT mean you are eligible to apply at ST3 level.

ma3laras: Was this before MMC?

Its goes without saying that everything I write is my own interpretation and understanding of the situation. I am no training expert, deanery official or recruitment guru.Caveat emptor.

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Και να είσαι στο Specialist Register μπορείς να κάνεις αίτηση για ST3+ training posts. Δεν έχεις CCT, το CCT είναι το χαρτί που παίρνει κάποιος που τελειώνει ειδικότητα στην Αγγλία.

Υπάρχουν Έλληνες που έκαναν/κάνουν SHO και SpR jobs όντας ειδικοί στην Ελλάδα. Δεν μπορώ να σε συμβουλεύσω πόσο χρήσιμο είναι το να γραφτείς στο Specialist Register πάντως. Σίγουρα η συνδρομή του GMC θα είναι ακριβότερη...

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I presume you are applying for staff grade jobs and you are hoping to do locum work?

Locum agencies are not too picky and if they offer you locum work the hospital will not ask to see your CV.

Structure your CV to correspond with the job description specifically for each staff grade job you are applying.

Jobs/achievements are to be listed in reverse chronological order.

Keep it SHORT,no more than 3 pages...if you can :/

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=3043

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MAy I suggest to start by doing a observership.

(See and do but no money)

This is the only solution if you dont find anything in your level.

You can afford it if you do locums as well.

So my suggstion is do locum in your specialty or general (to support yourself) and then find a highly reputed hospital.

Its upo to you then to make them like you and make offer you/help you with something else.

(Its exactly what a friend of mine did and he is working as a reg now in West London - non-training)

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Lets face it, in most cases a greek CCT holder comes to work in UK to feel the gaps of his training in our famous Univrsity Hospitals ( :/)...

And of course gain money/experience.

And most of them dont see it a long term solution.

So I think they would mind having non training posts.

Wicked, imagine the F1 on call calling switch and asking for the non-training reg equivalent! :P

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Non training reg equivalent: a euphemism for staff grade, or maybe LAS...

Not that being a staff grade is necessarily a bad thing...

NHS trusts have no money...cuts everywhere...what makes you think that things are as simple as 'we like him, we'll hire him?'Who'll pay?will he get banding? permanent or fixed term?to cover what?who'll supervise him?

If we've reached the point that a CCT holder needs to do an observership to get noticed...God have mercy on us!

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Θα ήθελα και γω τα φώτα σας...Έχοντας συμπληρώσει 1,5 χρόνο παιδιατρικής στην Ελλάδα ,οι οικονομικές συγκυρίες μάλλον με σπρώχνουν προς την μετανάστευση. Σκέφτομαι να συνεχίσω για τα υπόλοιπα 2,5 Ελλάδα , να προσπαθήσω να κάνω το εξάμηνο του εξωτερικού προς το τέλος και χωρίς να δώσω εξετάσεις στην Ελλάδα για το χαρτί , να φύγω για Αγγλία διεκδικόντας μια θέση...Με 4 χρόνια προυπηρεσίας , θα μπορώ να μπω άραγε σε ST2? Aκόμα και να δώσω τις εξετάσεις είμαι διατεθειμένη...Θεωρείτε οτι είναι άχρηστη η προυπηρεσία εδώ και θα πρεπε να παραιτηθώ αποδω (χάνωντας τη θέση μου οριστικά)και να ψάξω για locum ? Απλά αναφέρω πως οικογενειακοί λόγοι με οδηγούν προς την Αγγλία και πως δε θα θελα να νοιώθω εκει ανεπαρκής...

Ευχαριστώ για την απάντηση εκ των προτέρων...

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Your plan will never work.I am sorry.

Apart from everything else that's wrong it (career & personal life issues) you will be unable to apply to ST2/3 because of the person specification experience caps/exams/competencies documentation.

http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/pdf/PS%202012%20ST3%20Paediatrics.pdf

Either way!

You wouldn't be getting a UK CCT (you'd get a CESR) and thus you won't be able to work in greece as a recognised specialist.

Ambitious (but much more dangerous!) path:

Start applying to ST2 now.

http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/pdf/PS%202012%20ST2%20Paediatrics.pdf

If appointed give up your greek job.

IF you get your exams and yer smart....you might get a UK consultant job (CESR...).If you fail to pass your exams/ ARCPs you'll get a staff grade job.

You will never be able to return to greekieland either way...

Greek CCT (+bouus 6m UK experience)=permanent staff grade (if not straight away via trust grade)

You will never be a UK consultant...and you shouldn't give a damn.

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Η απάντησή σου όχι μόνο ήταν άμεση αλλά και κατατοπιστικότατη...Ψάχνοντας και γω το σύστημά τους είδα πως ήταν ουτοπικό αυτό που ζητούσα...Είναι μια δύσκολη η περίοδος και γιαυτό η βοήθεια όσον ξέρουν πως δουλεύουν έξω τα πράγματα είναι πραγματικά πολύτιμη ..Σε ευχαριστώ wicked witch!

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Τρελά λεφτά!

Ζήτω τα locums!

Locum GPs needed for Weekend Work. Up to £80 per hour Global Medics are currently working with several Walk in Centres across the country would that require a GP to help cover the busy weekend surgeries. We offer very competitive weekend rates and often mileage.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/view-job.html?id=20064900

We are looking to fill a great 4 month locum post for a consultant paediatric surgeon based in Wales. This is a January/ February start for a minimum of 4 months. Interested doctors should get in touch as soon as possible. You will receive £75 - £80 per hour with 40+ hours a week and on-calls.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/view-job.html?id=20063942

GP locum jobs in Coventry: £75-80 per hour. ASAP – up to 12 months. 6 sessions per week. Vision. Successful candidates must have full GMC registration, be on the GP Register and be included on a PCT Medical Performers list.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/view-job.html?id=20032646

Locum GPs needed in Gloucester

Up to £85 per hour

This registered GP Surgery is an impressive medical centre in Gloucester with a friendly and supportive team.

Sessions are 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours in the afternoon typically with admin time allocated accordingly for each session.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/view-job.html?id=20065071&ga=w_bmj_bmj-com

Locum GPs needed in Essex

Up to £75 per hour

This lovely day time GP surgery in Essex has a supportive team and a very friendly atmosphere.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/view-job.html?id=20065067&ga=w_bmj_bmj-com

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Καλημέρα και από μένα! Τελειώνω παθολογία σε λίγο καιρό και μετά μεσολαβεί αυτό το γνωστό τεράστιο κομμάτι αναμονής για καρδιολογία...ήθελα να ρωτήσω λοιπόν τί δυνατότητες για εργασία υπάρχουν στην Αγγλία σε τέτοια φάση. Δε διαθέτω καμία εργασιακή εμπειρία εκεί. Locum παίζει να βρω τπτ?!? Γιατί για ειδικότητα οι πληροφορίες που έχω μέχρι στιγμής είναι απογοητευτικές...

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http://www.greekmeds.gr/forum/index.php?showtopic=5844&st=2520&p=398618&hl=newbs&fromsearch=1&#entry398618

Without a UK referee your chances of getting locum work are very slim

RMO is a decent money making option...

If your annamony is 3+ years consider applying to FY2.

http://www.greekmeds.gr/forum/index.php?showtopic=5844&view=findpost&p=261878

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If your annamony is 3+ years consider applying to FY2.

http://www.greekmeds...ndpost&p=261878

Θα μπορούσε να κάνει αίτηση και για ST1 (CMT) με 2 χρόνια προϋπηρεσία. Θεωρείται ότι το Foundation το έχει κάνει πια. Βέβαια δύσκολο χωρίς αγγλική προϋπηρεσία, αλλά όχι και ακατόρθωτο. Το πιο λογικό και πιθανό σενάριο είναι LAS (Locum Appointment for Service) / Trust Grade posts, ώστε στον επόμενο γύρο αιτήσεων για CMT να έχεις την πολυπόθητη UK experience που ανοίγει πολλές πόρτες.

Το βασικό είναι να σκεφτείς αν σε ενδιαφέρει να μείνεις Αγγλία ή απλά έρχεσαι για να καλύψεις το διάστημα της αναμονής σου. Στην δεύτερη περίπτωση, δεν είναι ανάγκη να τρελαίνεσαι με τις επιλογές που μπορεί να έχεις. Γράψου σε εταιρείες locum, και παράλληλα κάνε αιτήσεις σε όσες θέσεις βρίσκεις σε επίπεδο F2/SHO/ST1 General Medicine, κι ας μην είναι εκπαιδευτικές.

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