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Συγχαρητήρια σε όλους.Τώρα μπορείτε να φαγωθείτε ελεύθερα.Μην ξεχνιόμαστε.Έλληνες είμαστε.Για να ανέβει κάποιος πρέπει να πέσει κάποιος άλλος(έλληνας κατά προτίμηση) :bloodomen:

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Τα παιδία με καλύπτουν. Το μόνο που έχω να πω επιπλέον είναι ότι σ' αυτό το forum ο ortho μόνο θετικά πράγματα έχει προσφέρει. Ούτε έχει πει ανακρίβειες ή ψέματα, ούτε έχει παραπλανήσει ή αποπροσανατολίσει, ούτε έχει αποθαρρύνει κανέναν από το να κυνηγήσει το όνειρο στην Αμερική. Ίσα ίσα που με τα λεγόμενά του ενθαρρύνει όλο και περισσότερους (όπως άλλωστε προαναφέρθηκε από τα ίδια τα άτομα) να προσπαθήσουν. Και μάλιστα ό,τι βοήθεια έχει προσφέρει το έχει κάνει με τρόπο που δεν έχει κάνει κανένας άλλος! Ποιος θα κάτσει να σου κάνει διαγράμματα ή να σου εξηγήσει αναλυτικά (σε κάποιες περιπτώσεις αναλυτικότατα) ένα πρόγραμμα διαβάσματος που έκανε ο ίδιος και τον οδήγησε στο 99 (όχι μόνο εκείνον όπως αποδεικνύεται συνεχώς) ή να σου απαντήσει με λεπτομέριες (ολόκληρο κείμενο) σε μία ερώτηση 4 σειρών; Νομίζω πως είναι αδιανόητο να κατηγορούμε το άτομο που έχει βοηθήσει εδώ μέσα περισσότερο από τον καθένα κυρίως όταν εμείς δεν το έχουμε κάνει ούτε στο ελάχιστο...

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For those of you who care. The 2010 Kaplan lectures are out on the www and in torrent form

I find them drastically different and better than the much older versions on the net from Gigapedia.

You will find that behavioral science is very well developed as are other lecture notes.

I am not allowed obviously to write the exact url here. But If you search you will find the 60 Gigabyte file. It is in F4V format.

I sincerely think it is worth the time downloading the material, and after all, it is free....

Είναι online από αρχές Οκτώβρη ;)

Όσο για τα υπόλοιπα, προς όλους: grow up. Ο καθένας κρίνεται απ' τα γραπτά του.

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@ Ortho:First I am not in delirium,don't worry.I really thanked you and several other forum members for your unconditional and tremendous help that you provided to all that seeked help desperately or by just reading your experiences.I still don't get it because I didn't post anything against you or at least verbally assaulted anyone.All I said was against one sick system that gave us the incentive to leave and come here.There was nothing in particular against any forum member, but you didn't get it,sorry.

By saying that I had to travel every morning from 5 am to reach at the hospital at 7 was just an experience and nothing to raise myself.It was meant to show my determination to land where I wanted.

Please don't make the wrong assumptions before you hear the whole story.

I am not unique buddy and never thought that let me tell you.All the rest it seems a very slippery slope for me to extend and discuss.And let me reiterate again, I know what is awaiting me during residency.

Indeed some people must break their nutshell and come out because they are no unique,including me and you and everyone.

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Για να μην τρελαθούμε:

Respect στον Ortho και στην Notbad, που εκτενώς και αναλυτικώς μας ενημερώνουν τόσο καιρό για το θέμα "Ειδικότητα στις ΗΠΑ".

Αλλά εκτός αυτών, (και παλαιότερα του Usmeds) και του πολύ χρήσιμου τελευταίου ποστ του mixmavros (για την εμπειρία του απ΄το Step1), παρατηρώ ότι πολλοί έχουν την νοοτροπία "παίρνω πληροφορίες, λέω ένα ευχαριστώ, και φεύγω".

Π.χ η Loanna (καλή επιτυχία στην κοπέλα), δεν θυμάμαι να μοιράστηκε κάτι μαζί μας εκτός των αποτελεσμάτων στα Steps.

Btw, συγχαρητήρια και από μένα στον petepan, δεν είναι και μικρό πράγμα να κάνεις match σε μια τόσο ανταγωνιστική ιδιότητα όπως είναι η Radiology. ;)

Ελπίζω να μοιράζεται μαζί μας και τις εμπειρίες του απ' το Residency.

I had to struggle my dear friend and I promise that will help anyone!!!.I promise to come back and help!!

Se efxaristo poly!!

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@ Ortho:First I am not in delirium,don't worry.I really thanked you and several other forum members for your unconditional and tremendous help that you provided to all that seeked help desperately or by just reading your experiences.I still don't get it because I didn't post anything against you or at least verbally assaulted anyone.All I said was against one sick system that gave us the incentive to leave and come here.There was nothing in particular against any forum member, but you didn't get it,sorry.

By saying that I had to travel every morning from 5 am to reach at the hospital at 7 was just an experience and nothing to raise myself.It was meant to show my determination to land where I wanted.

Please don't make the wrong assumptions before you hear the whole story.

I am not unique buddy and never thought that let me tell you.All the rest it seems a very slippery slope for me to extend and discuss.And let me reiterate again, I know what is awaiting me during residency.

Indeed some people must break their nutshell and come out because they are no unique,including me and you and everyone.

Δεν υπάρχει κανένα πρόβλημα :-) Ίσως και εγώ κάπου παρεξήγησα κάποια από τα λεγόμενά σου, και δεν υπάρχει δόλος από τη μεριά μου. Στον γραπτό λόγο πολλές φορές μπορούν να γίνονται παρεξηγήσεις, και νομίζω ότι δεν χρειάζεται να επεκταθούμε περαιτέρω. Προφανώς δεν υπάρχει κανένας λόγος. Αυτό που κατάφερες είναι εξαιρετικό και πραγματικά σου αξίζουν Συγχαρητήρια. Το ζήτημα είναι να βοηθάμε, όσο μπορούμε ο ένας τον άλλον, ο καθένας όπως μπορεί, και ανάλογα με τις δυνατότητές του. Ακριβώς γι'αυτό που λες, δηλαδή να ξεφεύγουμε από το αρρωστημένο σύστημα, το οποίο εμείς οι ίδιοι συντηρούμε με το να φαγωνόμαστε ανευ λόγου. Κλασσικό Ελληνικό ελάττωμα με το οποίο έχει γαλουχηθεί η πλειονότητα των Ελλήνων, και που δεν μας επιτρέπει να προκόβουμε σα Λαό. Και πάλι, ό,τι επιθυμείς, και καλή αρχή.

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First of all, congrats to everyone.

I matched in a University program in Philly. I'll be doing an IM residency with a future goal to do my fellowship in___________ (until I match, I'm not gonna specify this, sorry, just like how I hadn't specified what I was aiming at residency-wise).

Sb mentioned I just posted my scores. That's wrong. I've also posted where I studied from and my study-schedule. Furthermore, anyone who's bothered to go through the rest of my posts (none is obliged to, but if one's gonna talk about what others have posted (s)he might as well be more well-informed), it's pretty clear that since 10/2009 (i.e. a month before my actual graduation day, again, though, I fail to see why/how that should be of particular significance to anyone) I have been doing research (both basic science & clinical) in one of the best hospitals worldwide (does the name matter?). I posted whenever I felt I had SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL to contribute in the discussion. The reason why I hadn't posted before sitting the steps is 'coz I'm a doer and not sb who rumbles on and on about what/where to study from, how long it'll take me, when/where/how I can do electives (btw, I did a Sub-I as a final med-student at the same institution where I was offered a post-doc research fellowship spot- since I was offered that spot, I never faced the need to email/contact programs for a research position, THEREFORE I COULD NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT ASPECT EITHER). Members who've sent me p.m's in the past know whether I get back to them and how extensive my responding emails are.

Hope that now that you know what's happened to me, you'll sleep tighter at night...(I know I'm being cynical and ironic, but seriously, now that you know that I matched, how does this change things for anyone in this forum, but me?)

P.S1: Notbad is not flattering me. It just so happens we know each other personally, AGAIN (as lots of other stuff) that's not sth we should be made to share with anyone else in this forum.

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Sorry see below,I am awkward in editing...

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Notebad, I had no intention to mention my study plan such as not be finger pointed and spawn comments but since you asked, and without hesitation here it is and I hope it helps.

STEP I: started studying Sept 07/2009.Exam date Dec 17/2009.Score report released:Jan 13.Score:230(95).Materials used: UW Qbank;No books since I couldn't go through again.Made short notes and transferred to FA.Revised billion times.UW cimulative score 1st time:62.NBME taken 2-4(560-560).Didn't care since I saw was passing the test.

Step II CK: same method.Different books;combination of FA+Master the boards.Study time start date Jan 20/2010-exam date Apr 22/2010.Score reprt date: May 13.Score:238(98).UW Qbank cumulative score:62%(same as step I).NBME taken 1-4(570-620).

Exam venue:Thessaloniki-travelled from Athens.

STEP IICS:Started studying 4 days after my CK.Exam Venue:LA.Test date:May 21-score report:July 21/Pass.Materials used: FA CS;sveral friends for skills.Practised staged qs many many times as I could.

US clinical experience: all Radiology;6 months;4 LoRs-all good(I think).Publications 6.1 Original article;1 review;1 protocol participation construction;3 case reports.Only in case reports first author;rest declined as I was visitor but with due respect didn't even ask.

Posters: 4;1 ribbon award.

Total iv:7; 4 prelim 3 rads.Didn't match where I rotated.Matched elsewhere.Before Christmas only 2 ivs.Rest came after Jan 6 and completed them Feb 06.Prelim had a good gut feeling and was told that I would be ranked 1st!.Rads-circled around arrogant Americans(all whites-no descrimination) posing with brilliant resume etc.Didn't care at all.Was busting my chops with them and was happy to be there.I thought I would end up using scramble but God was with my side!!.Used book The succesful match,200 rules to succed in the residency match my Desai &Katta just to gain more confidence in all forms of questions.Of course I knew each and every point in my cv to avoid any hassle!!

During ivs I was calm and confident and answered all the question;many of those are found in one of Notebads's posts.Keypoint:confidence,be humble,show maturity don't laugh incessantly like jerk and do not be arrogant;some of the guys were advertising their creds during iv and they were stellar;269-272-and some other 3-digit number that could cause neurogenic shock.Despite the fact,I was trying to shift any kind of such conversation elsewhere to break the ice.I tried not to disclose my scores,not because I would be rediculed but to maintain equality, or mature response,you name it.;

P.S:currently doing research;unpaid.Started early October and think it helped me for the match(I don't want to hide and say the opposite since a good word can always help.Of course my curses to the snow during winter were continuous since I had to commute 2 and a half hours to get there,but continuous presence,participation and interest didn't go wasted.At present I have no money.I saved some before coming here to chase my dream.....

Hope it helps

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I don't know who my story would help. I don't know who would want to read it.

What I'm pretty sure of is, when I was in your shoes, "you" being all the poor assholes currently studying for the Steps, I skipped stories like mine. They were too depressing. People in the state you're in prefer or rather need to read about the glorious double 99s, the unlikely prematches, the thirty-five-year old graduate that triumphantly matched against all odds and now makes 300 thousand a year in sunny Florida. These are the stories you want to hear and this is not the story I have for you. My story doesn't have a happy ending. Hell it doesn't even have a particularly happy beginning or middle. And frankly, I don't know what good it'll do to you as a cautionary tale either. But if you want it, or even expect it of me as a sort of "thank you", as part of "giving back to the community", fuck it; you can have it. But bear this in mind; you were warned.

I was a mediocre student at best, but smart and disciplined enough not to fail too many classes. As a result, I graduated on time; five years and ten months, not a day more, with an average of just over 6,5. Real fucking achievement as that was, it came with a twist; admittedly I didn't know much Medicine. And ignorance made an added motivation for me to study for the Steps, because, by revising, again and again, pretty much everything I should have learned the previous six years and then by being repeatedly tested on it, I would eventually reach a level, perhaps not of excellence, but of competence. In other words I firmly believed when I'd be through with the USMLEs, in the very least, I'd be in a position to keep somebody alive, diagnose them or maybe even treat them. By now that is the only one of my aspirations to come true.

After graduation and three months of rightful summer vacation, I printed out bootleg copies of Kaplan for Step 2 Clinical Knowledge, got a bunch of colorful highlighters and off I went to Ippokratous 15, 2nd floor in an attempt to mercifully extend my student life. In retrospect, that too was a reason for me sitting the USMLEs. Hundreds of suckers still struggling to get their diploma and there I was, Dustin-fucking-Hoffman in the "Graduate", secretly longing for an arrest in my development, for a chance to be essentially care-free for just a little while longer. I wanted to buy myself more time, to clinch on my fading belated teen years, fearing they'd been the best of my life and now were behind me. I meant for time to go back and stand still in the days when, after class- if I had any, I went to have coffee, then lunch, then a cigarette break, then coffee again, then another cigarette break, all that nicotine- and caffeine-fueled mental and palatal masturbation interrupted by, well, studying to get a 5 or a 6. That's all I wanted, all I needed and most of the time all I got.

(To confirm what you read ten lines above, yes, I inverted the sequence of the Steps. No, it didn't do any harm, nor was it more difficult. In fact, contrary to the widely accepted and advised strategy of sitting them in sequence -and I quote: "with Step 1 you learn everything you need to for 2 CK"- sitting them in reverse is actually smarter. If 1 gives you 70% of CK, 2 gives you 50% of 1 and 1 is so much broader in scope and material. So, with half of 1 already done, you have a chance to look further into the basic sciences. Plus, it's more convenient if you've graduated recently, because by then who the fuck can remember what an "ectoderm" is anyway.)

I also thought it would be a good idea to add a little research background to the mix. Initially I planned to do a Ph.D, but upon realizing that included staying in Greece for three years and doing full-time work to achieve something meaningless outside or even inside the country, I changed my mind. I settled for being a "research fellow" instead, for whatever it's worth. I was entrusted with collecting data for a retrospective study, doing patient documentation for KEELPNO and writing a case report.

CK took me five, very, very difficult months. I'd bought a copy of First Aid and by the time I was nearing the exam, it was twice as thick as the original, its pages filled with my scribblings on whatever white space I could find around the text and with paper notes tucked in between them. What's more, I created what I named "The Book of Job"; it was essentially an empty phonebook, where the letters were replaced by topic initials. In there I used to write everything I kept failing to remember as well as material and mnemonics from USMLEWorld, on which I practiced for the better part of three months. Eventually, it got to the point where "The Book of Job" in essence became a condensed, hand-written version of "UWorld". Boy that came in handy and it sometimes still does.

One day, in late April, I went to Thessaloniki to sit 2 CK. On that train I kept listening to Danny Elfman's "Alice in Wonderland" score, identifying with Alice, going off to fight my own "Jabberwocky" or whatever the fuck the name of that dragon was. It was funny, because not since Panellinies had I thought of exams as battles to be won. It's kind of sad -or ridiculous- on a sound mind, but at that point I needed all the strength I could get and if movies could provide that (and they never, ever fail me), so fucking be it. I was Aragorn in the final stand for Gondor, Robin Hood fighting off Nottingham's troops, Ryan landing on Normandy; I was going into battle determined to chop motherfucking heads off and take no prisoners.

2 CK was the longest 9 hours of my life, but training on UWorld made it much more bearable. I skipped the tutorial, I already knew the interface. I took a 5- or 10-minute break every 2 blocks. My pre-exam diet as well as break snacks consisted of crackers and tea, fearing anything else would and probably would have given me the skitters. Damn my IBS. Coming out of the Fullbright building, strolling along the port, on my way to "Ruby Tuesday's" and the biggest burger I could sink my teeth in, I had the feeling I'd done rather well- perhaps too well for my sake. I was never accurate at assessing how well I did in exams, so for all I knew I could have fucked it up royally.

I got a 96.

So now it was time for CS. It was supposed to be the easiest- and who am I kidding, it was the easiest of the three. That of course doesn't mean it's in itself easy. As the name of the exam suggests, you must have skills to show.

I chose Atlanta, GA; it was south and sunny, it had free slots, there was a direct flight via Delta, a nice motel 5 minutes away from the exam center and I had this mental image of myself enjoying a nice glass of bourbon on a porch with some old, hatted, bearded Southern gentleman, at sunset, while his daughter, the Southern Belle/Vivien Leigh lookalike, would bring us platters of fried chicken wings with barbecue sauce. Then perhaps she'd let me have my way with her in the bushes of their rose orchard. From behind. Yeah... Well, that didn't happen. But I painted a nice picture there... really nice... OK, where was I? Oh, right, the exam.

If you download the video tutorial from USMLE.org you'll get a very good idea of the do's and dont's. In the beginning it seems almost scarily complex and easy to miss or do something against regulation. But it's a routine to be practiced and learned, like dance steps for an immensely boring soiree which happens to be your debutant ball: knock on the door, wait 3-5 seconds, enter, introduce yourself, shake hands, smile, dress the actor, put a stool under their feet and proceed asking the "LIQORs" and the "PAMs" and the "FOSSes". Then perform a very focused exam, say your assesment, answer any questions and out the door to write the note. I practiced all that with my girlfriend, my sister and her boyfriend. Soon I got the hang of it, though I could never get fully used to it and I always, always missed something. I went through First Aid for CS twice and by the second time I'd compiled a very essential walkthrough. I made some additional notes and pointers by trancribing the Kaplan Lectures for the CSA exam.

When I got to Atlanta, a walk in the park it was not; I could tell some of the actors were giving me a funny look. They were probably baffled by my accent, wondering of what depraved exotic origin this motherfucker could possibly be and how dared I pollute the space their homegrown American girls and boys rightfully occupied. But make no mistake, only a few were cold and indifferent. Most were pretty nice and they were good actors. The exam itself lasted about 7 hours and the first 2 flew by - as opposed to the computerized tests where time weighs on your shoulders from very early on. Of course even in the CS after a while, you're starting to feel it, but the whole process is thankfully over right before the feeling becomes unbearable. Then you go outside, you smell the fresh air, you wonder what the sun is still doing up there and off to your motel where you order a club sandwich with curly fries and a mayo dip, a hard drink and some good hotel porn. And cigarettes too, I mean, if you booked a smoking suite.

Results of CS are usually available within six weeks, but each year there's a new schedule. I sat CS on May 26th. I got the results back on August 17th. I had passed.

I started preparing for Step 1 in mid-June, I wanted to have some time off in-between. Initially I was shocked at what I had to study and how unhelpful First Aid for Step 1 was. It was basically diagrams, tables and indexes, with very little text compared to the one for CK. I tried the Kaplan videos, but it took me 2 minutes to make notes of 30 seconds worth of time, so I said "fuck that". I went back to the old, tried and true recipe of Kaplan lecture notes, FA, UWorld (from about late July to early August) with some much helpful insight from... Moutsopoulos/McPhee and Asteriou. Seriously. I would never have understood Immunology or Metabolism if it weren't for these books. I finished Basic Sciences first, then I essentially revised CK with an extra dose of therapeutics and I did that again and again until I had completed four passings of each.

My approach up until that point had been "pass the exams, do good, then worry about the ERAS and the NRMP and shit". What's more I was pretty sure I could register at both in October or November (true, but NOT adivsable). So when at the end of August I realized it would take them 4 weeks minimum to upload my letters (which I didn't even have at the time), I panicked. Fortunately I got the letters shipped in no time (via ELTA no less), tracked them through OASIS and finally was relieved to see them uploaded in ADTS by the end of September, along with yet another translated copy of my medical school transcript. Now all I missed was a Step 1 score.

I sat Step 1 on October 5th, in Kallithea. I now knew the drill and my anxiety was minimal. I answered question after question with an ease that at first made me cautious; had they saved the worst for last? But vignette after vignette, block after block, almost nothing made me pause and think much, with the exception of the occasional statistics where I didn't have a clue beyond the basics, so I didn't really give a shit. I finally finished, almost an hour early. And when I went outside that evening, I knew it was over.

I got a 98.

I learned the results on October 27th, I applied to 50 programs on October 28th, then 13 more about five days later. I insisted on paying for them myself. I had specifically researched every program and spotted those that claimed to "not require US clinical experience". I made an excel sheet of them, listing contact info, salary, benefits, application deadlines. And I sent out my applications hoping for the best. Poor, poor pitiful me. I should have seen this coming. After all, come to think of it, I had applied on our National Day of "No".

I spent the next two months waiting and pretty much enjoying myself. After all, I was entitled to it. Some answers came, they were all negative. But from the bulk of them there was no word. Zilch. Nothing. Everyone I consulted on that, said that was a good sign. "If they weren't considering you at all, they would 've notified you by now" said some of my wisest, down-to-earth friends. I found this both comforting and logical too. After all I had paid 25$ per application, so in my eyes they at least owed me the courtesy of expressing their disinterest in a free email.

By January I had 17 negative replies and no others of either kind. I started to get antsy so I posted at other forums and the response I got was something like this:

Johny Johnson: "You're an IMG with no 99/99, no US clinical experience and you applied in late October? What the fuck did you think was gonna happen? That you would get an interview? LOL!"

Jack Jackson: "And you're still waiting for an invitation? LMAO!"

Remy Fincher: "But don't I deserve a written rejection at least?"

Robert Roberts:"You don't deserve shit! The programs don't owe you shit! They don't have to reply if they don't want to. But I'll tell you what, you look like a nice kid, why don't you call them up and ask what the status of your application is and beg them for an interview"

And so I did. I filled my Skype account and started calling all over the Eastern U.S. Some programs didn't answer, others told me their interview slots were already full, others even went on saying that if I hadn't had an invitation, then I should have gathered they weren't interested. Some had an entirely different issue with my application (a conversation with a program coordinator in Florida went something like this):

PC: "We can't consider you for a position, because you don't have a visa."

RF: "But surely, if you were willing to offer me a position, the ECFMG would sponsor a visa.."

PC: (laughs) "Right, but we're not going to offer you a position."

Out of that hassle, I managed to get an interview in New York and a one-month observership in Connecticut. The interview was for a program that offered 40 positions, but had interviewed 600 applicants. I went there in my brand new 500$ suit, made the best impression I could, sent three "thank you" emails the very same day, then a signed, Fed-exed letter 10 days later stating they were my #1 choice (all advised by the Amazon-recommended 5-star book "200 Rules to get a Residency Match"). I did everything right this time, literally by the book, at least I tried to. Which is what made me have just a tiny glimpse of hope, that maybe, maybe they would rank me highly enough. That maybe the impossible would happen, maybe I would get to be that guy that matched after only one interview and people would read about me in Greekmeds and would rejoice and my underdog story would fill them with hope of their own.

I didn't stand a chance. And the only thing I regret is ever hoping. If you don't hope, you don't get dissappointed; just, once in a blue moon, you're pleasantly surprised.

So I didn't match. I didn't find anything on Scramble either, despite seizing 65 programs all over America by air, land and sea (a.k.a fax, email and ERAS). What is more my case report got rejected by both journals we submitted it to, the study I undertook seems to be dead in the water and I got a very impatient KEELPNO employee waiting to have her patient records. My GERD is back. And I have no clue what to do with my life, where to go next or what to do. I'll try next year, that's for sure and maybe this time around I'll do things differently. There's one thing I'll definitely do differently. I won't listen to anyone.

I listened to people saying IM was unattractive to Americans and all I had to do was get good scores. They didn't tell me about the Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese and all the others with double 99s and years of research in the US vying for the same positions (and getting them); And who said Americans don't like IM, anyway?

I listened to people saying programs usually reply to you. For their information, they don't have to and many don't even bother.

I listened when programs claimed to have a November/December/January/ May (!) deadline. This deadline evidently does not apply to guys like you and me.

I listened when programs also claimed to not require US clinical experience, but then afterwards they rejected me due to lack of it.

I listened when programs also claimed to give equal opportunities to US citizens and foreigners alike, then went on to shut their door on my face because I didn't have a visa (how the fuck would I get a visa without a job?)

From now on, I'll do as I please. I'll chart my own course and pay no attention to either the pessimists or the optimists, the naysayers or the goodie-goodies, those who doubt me and those who are "sure" I'm going to get a pre-match next year. I get that a lot nowadays. People are sure I'm going to match next year. I'm not sure. You shouldn't be either, about yourselves. Because if there's a lesson to be learned from my story is that the Universe is ruled by Randomness. I don't doubt there were people that did get pre-matches or did match with no US clinical experience or did match after only one interview or even did receive replies from most programs they applied to; but I was not one of them. In fact thousands were not one of them, but then again many were. So upon deciding to put yourselves through this wretched ordeal to meet your fate across the Atlantic, please keep in mind (or don't, what the fuck do I care?) that you could fall in either category. You could be either. Which one you want to believe you'll fall in is a choice I leave to you. But remember:

If you don't hope, you don't get dissappointed; just, once in a blue moon, you're pleasantly surprised.

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Συγχαρητήρια για την αξιόλογη προσπάθεια και μακάρι να σου έρθουνε στο τέλος όλα όπως τα θέλεις, αλλά

ξεχνάς αυτό που λίγοι από όσους τα έχουν καταφέρει στο εξωτερικό παραδέχονται και κάποιος παραπάνω το έχει θίξει:

Try to work on your connections because they will take you where you desire,it is not only 99s,don't be fooled! and if you don't have connections try to establish new,as my case was.

Κι αυτό συμβαίνει όχι μόνο στην Αμερική, μα και σε Αγγλία και Γερμανία που σίγουρα ξέρω.

Το φανταστικό είναι πως μετά την "επιτυχία", εμφανίζεται μια απαράμιλλη επιλεκτική μνήμη,

όπου μόνο το πολύ διάβασμα και η αξιόλογη προσωπικότητα, έκαναν τα άτομα αυτά να κερδίσουν τη

πολυπόθητη θέση, εκεί που οι άλλοι αποτυγχάνουν...

Καμιά κατηγόρια στα άτομα που τα κατάφεραν, αλλά μερικές φορές πρέπει να λέγεται και όλη η αλήθεια...

ΥΓ. Αυτό απαντάει και σε πολλούς που μιλάνε για απόλυτες αξιοκρατίες στο εξωτερικό,

σε σχέση με τις λαμογιές και τα βύσματα που υπάρχουν μόνο στους ιθαγενείς αυτής της χώρας...

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Congrats to all you guys...those who matched and those who didn't as well...the former have already done a step forward, the later have enriched their background and will have a better chance in the near future for sure.

The crux of the matter is elsewhere guys...don't miss it!!!!

Cordially!!!

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@ Remy

1 εβδομαδα μετα το match ειναι λογικο να εισαι εκνευρισμενος/απογοητευμενος, αλλα αφου περασει λιγος καιρος θα τα δεις πιο ψυχραιμα.

Κοιτα να κανεις κατι παραγωγικο και να περασεις ταυτοχρονα καλα μεχρι του χρονου και ολα θα πανε καλα.

Καταλαβαινω απο οσα εγραψες οτι ξερεις τι λαθη εκανες και πως δουλευει το συστημα. Αυτo μονο αρκει για να κανεις match σε ΙΜ προγραμμα με τα scores που εχεις.

@ Nomad

Φυσικα οι διασυνδεσεις μετρανε και ειναι δυσκολο για εναν Ελληνα που προσπαθει να κανει match απο Ελλαδα χωρις US experience να καταλαβει πως λειτουργουν οι διασυνδεσεις μεσα στο συστημα.

Και αυτο ειναι ενα τεραστιο κερδος που αποκτα κανεις με το να μεινει ενα διαστημα στις ΗΠΑ πριν κανει match, και πολλοι δεν αναγνωριζουν. Κι εγω φυσικα δεν ειχα ιδεα μεχρι να παω σε ranking meeting και fellowship match. Οι διασυνδεσεις ειναι senior attendings (δηλ full professors) που εχουν προσωπικη επαφη μαζι σου π.χ. μετα απο 6 μηνες - 1 χρονο ερευνα (η μετα απο 4 χρονια residency...) και οχι μονο σου γραφουν ενα πολυ καλο LOR, αλλα εχουν την ανεση να τηλεφωνησουν στους PD των προγραμματων που σε ενδιαφερουν και να τους πουνε να σε παρουν. Τα τηλεφωνα πεφτουν απο τη στιγμη που εχεις τελειωσει τα interviews και πριν υποβαλλεις τη ROL. Και ειναι κατι που κανουν ΟΛΟΙ ανεξαιρετως οι υποψηφιοι στο βαθμο που μπορουν και λειτουργει συμπληρωματικα. Με αυτο εννοω πως δεν εχει καμια σημασια ποιος θα παρει τηλεφωνα για σενα αν η υπολοιπη αιτηση σου ειναι για τα σκουπιδια. Αρα το 'βυσμα' λειτουργει παραλληλα με την αξιοκρατια και εχει ελαχιστη σχεση με την εννοια που δινουμε στην Ελλαδα οταν λεμε για βυσματα π.χ. στο στρατο κλπ. Αντιστοιχα και οι PDs οταν τους ενδιαφερει ενας υποψηφιος παιρνουν τηλεφωνο στο προγραμμα του (αν μιλαμε για fellowship match) η στη σχολη του (residency match) για να μαθουν για αυτον και να εκδηλωσουν ενδιαφερον. Ενας FMG οντας εκτος συστηματος εχει τεραστιο μειονεκτημα και σε αυτη τη φαση της διαδικασιας.

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Λοιπόν, για να τελειώνουμε με τις μαλακίες. Χωρίς να δώσω αφορμή, ορισμένοι “αρπάζονται” (Peterpan), καθώς και άλλοι (Bouffon), ασχολούνται με θρόνους, κοκ.

Για να δούμε λοιπόν τι είπα δηλαδή και αμέσως όρμησαν κάποιοι να πουλήσουν πνεύμα?

@ Peterpan:

Αυτή την ιδέα της ακτινολογίας, την έγραψε πρώτη η Notbad εδώ:

Πχ μια γνωστή μου έκανε παθολογία 3 χρόνια, μετά δούλευε για 3 μέρες/εβδομάδα ως moonlighter ($800/βάρδια καθαρά-βάρδιες 12 ωρών) οπότε την εβδομάδα έπαιρνε καθαρά $2400, παράλληλα έκανε master στην νευροανατομία και ένα graduate course στην ακτινοανατομία, και μετά από 2 χρόνια έκανε match στην ακτινολογία που της άρεσε. Το master plan της είναι να κάνει online διαγνώσεις από το ράντσο της σε ένα ελληνικό νησί σε 4-5 χρόνια, ζώντας στην Ελλάδα ενώ πληρώνεται σε μισθούς ΗΠΑ. Brilliant

@ kopritis είναι θαυμάσια ιδέα και εφικτή! Γιατί κι εμείς στο VA όλα τα ακτινολογικά τα στέλνουμε διαδικτυακά σε ένα group στην California, τα διαβάζουν 24/7 και ανεβάζουν τις απαντήσεις στο intranet. Τώρα αν ο ακτινολόγος είναι Cali, Idaho, Hawaii...ποιός νοιάζεται, αρκεί να είναι board certified από US.

Αυτή η ιδέα για τους Ακτινολόγους είναι πραγματικά φοβερή. Αυτή η ειδικότητα, έχει την τρομερή ευελιξία να μπορεί κανείς να διαβάζει ακτινολογικές εξετάσεις από απόσταση, χωρίς να χρειάζεται καθόλου η φυσική του παρουσία κάπου. Είπα τίποτε διαφορετικό Peterpan? Αυτό ισχύει και είναι ευρέως γνωστό (όχι ίσως τόσο στο greekmeds), και σε άτομα που δεν έχουν την εμπειρία της Αμερικής, αλλά ενημερώνονται από εδώ.

Peterpan, από το προηγούμενο post σου με ευχαριστείς για τη βοήθεια που προσφέρω εδώ στο φόρουμ, και έχεις χεστεί από τον ενθουσιασμό σου που έκανες match:

Hahahaha man I just saw that comment,sorry for replying now.It is so hilarious!!!!.Thanks for entertaining us,you are indeed bold!.Can I ask you for a favor?In any discussion in the forum that is being brought up please don't bring up your genitals,we got so sick and tired to hear the same old story in Greece. Thanks

I wanted to Thank you all for your time,advices and effort in this journey of USMLE and especially of Match.Your input is so special,Ortho, Notbad, alefantos and eveyone else who contributed in this very bright forum.

You are all great!!

I matched yesterday and it feels sooooooo goood!!!!

Και από την άλλη, μετά από λίγες μέρες διαφορά, χωρίς να παρεμβάλλονται άλλα ποστς μεταξύ μας, όταν λέω κάτι το αυτονόητο, και κάνοντας χιούμορ επίσης, σε περίπτωση που δεν το κατάλαβες, αρχίζεις μια ακατανόητη επίθεση, με ένα χείμαρρο συναισθηματισμών, χωρίς καθόλου λογική:

From a guy of your caliber I wouldn't expect such a surprise,supposedly you are on the top of the rock with your achievement by matching into Orthopedics.And yes I matched in radiology and to simplify it I quoted as matched in my first choice in prelim and 2nd in Rads meaning according to my ROL primary and supplementary lists.

Yet,what you and some others say about reading exams through PACS on the beach or from home,my little experience with the system doesn't allow me to know if it so possible.No further comments (everything can be adjusted in Greek fantasy).

Hell yes, I worked so hard to get here and get away from the sick and retarded environment that governs our prestigious hospitals in Greece where we face the ignorance and arrogance of any random guy et al in any of the radiology departments and in any department that gave us the half-eye look.It was the wisest choice I have ever made let me tell you at a cost of course but who cares at the end.It took a toll on me to leave Greece and come in a new country unknown between unknown,travel 2 hours with LIRR to get to the hospital,dodging the stacks of snow during winter time and freeze my ass but eventually landed where I wanted.

For the future aspirants,do never give up and listen to any guy that sees the glass half empty.Go ahead and follow what you aimed for.Nothing can stop you,point,period,paragraph.

As for the coffee,do me a favor,I can go to Astoria and grab one and be more peaceful that my "collegue"friends are not trying to poke my eye.Enjoy and come back safe and sound.

Πιστεύεις ότι πραγματικά θα κάτσω να χάσω χρόνο για να σχολιάσω λεπτομερώς αυτό το παραλήρημα?

Το πλεονέκτημα αυτό της Ακτινολογίας, μπορεί να το περιγελάς τώρα, γιατί δεν έχεις μπει ακόμη στην ειδικότητα, και δεν έχεις ακόμη φάει το γαμ...., αλλά κάποια στιγμή θα με θυμηθείς όταν θα χρειαστεί με ωριμότητα πλέον (που ακόμη δεν φαίνεται να διαθέτεις), όταν θα κληθείς να λάβεις άλλες σοβαρές αποφάσεις για το μέλλον σου, όπως το πού θες να ζήσεις, το πού θες να μεγαλώσουν τα παιδιά σου, κλπ...

Δεν σου κρατάω καμία κακία, άλλωστε, το πράγμα είναι πασιφανές... Πολλά συγχαρητήρια για αυτό που κατάφερες! Σου εύχομαι καλή επιτυχία, και, όπως επίσης και να σου πάνε όλα καλά. Ειλικρινά, αντιλαμβάνομαι τον ενθουσιασμό σου και δεν σε παρεξηγώ.

@ Bouffon, τώρα ήρθε η σειρά σου:

Συγχαρητήρια petepan για την επιτυχία σου! Είναι πολύ ευχάριστο να βλέπεις παιδιά από την Ελλάδα να προοδεύουν και οι κόποι τους να δικαιώνονται!

Δυστυχώς πάντα θα υπάρχουν αυτοί οι "κάποιοι" που επιθυμούν να μειώσουν την επιτυχία κάποιου άλλου απλά για να κάνουν τους εαυτούς τους να αισθανθούν καλύτερα!

Με λυπεί ιδιαίτερα το γεγονός ότι στο συγκεκριμένο forum υπάρχουν άνθρωποι οι όποιοι απλά αυτοπροβάλλονται, μειώνοντας επιδεικτικά τους συναδέλφους τους.

Δυστυχώς όμως οι κομπλεξικοί θα παραμείνουν κομπλεξικοί ότι και να επιτύχουν στη ζωή τους. Είναι πολύ εύκολο να χτίσεις ένα θρόνο και να ανέβεις σε αυτόν ειδικά μέσα από τη ανωνυμία ενός forum, υποβοηθούμενος από τους εκάστοτε κόλακες. Μου δίνεται η εντύπωση ότι έχει δημιουργεί μια "κλίκα" που προσπαθεί να κατευθύνει νέα παιδιά με τη μέθοδο "ΔΟΞΑΣΤΕ ΜΕ" Ο νοών νοείτω! Άλλωστε όλοι κρινόμαστε από τι γράφουμε σε αυτό το forum.

Επειδή αναφέρεσαι σε μένα τώρα, και επειδή ίσως να έχεις φιξαρισμένο στο μυαλό σου για κάποιο λόγο (ίσως επειδή “όσα δε φτάνει η αλεπού..”, και σίγουρα γιατί “είπε ο γάιδαρος τον πετεινό κομπλεξικό”), το ότι εμένα με ενδιαφέρει να χτίσω ένα θρόνο εδώ, θέλω να σε ρωτήσω το εξής, σε σχέση με αυτά που είπα και ταλάντευσαν την “ευαισθησία σου”:

Στα παραπάνω, ΠΟΥ φαίνεται ότι πήγα να μειώσω τον Peterpan? Επειδή είπα ότι η ακτινολογία είναι και γαμώ τις ειδικότητες επειδή έχει αυτό το πολύτιμο advantage? Και εσύ, που ακόμη ούτε τα στεπ δεν έχεις δώσει, και δεν έχεις ιδέα τι σου γίνεται, ούτε καν σε τι αναφέρομαι εγώ ακριβώς, αμέσως άρπαξες τη “Μεγάλη Ευκαιρία” για να πεις την παπαριά σου για να φανεί ότι κάτι είπες και έγινες σημαντικός και εσύ.

Δεν είναι ξέρεις και πολύ έξυπνο να αυτοπροβάλλεται κανείς κάνοντας κριτική/επιθέσεις στα τυφλά και δίχως λογική. Ο “γάιδαρος” που λέγαμε...

Τελοσπάντων, ρητορικό το ερώτημα.

Και φυσικά, δεν σε κατηγορώ. Καταλαβαίνω πώς αισθάνεσαι και γιατί το κάνεις, γιατί σε κάνει να αισθάνεσαι σημαντικός. Και δεν θα σου απαντούσα και πολύ, απλά όταν προκαλούμαι αδίκως, και έχω λίγο χρόνο, καλό είναι να απαντάω.

Όσο για την “ανωνυμία”, που με “προστατεύει”, και τα περί “κολάκων”, με τα παιδιά είμαστε φίλοι εκτός φόρουμ, όπως με notbad, Loanna, mixmavros, και αρκετούς άλλους, ακόμη και “σιωπηλούς”, όπως εσύ... Αλλά, ούτε και αυτό το ήξερες, ε? Σόρυ που για μια ακόμη φορά ενώ έχεις πείσει τον εαυτό σου ότι “τα ξέρει όλα”, στο “χαλάω”. Ορίστε και η απόδειξη:

Λοιπόν παίδες έδωσα κι εγώ το στεπ 1.

Εγώ ακολούθησα τη μέθοδο του ορθο με κάποιες ασήμαντες τροποποιήσεις. Ήτοι, όλα από Kaplan videos και notes, με την προσθήκη αντίστοιχων review books εκεί που θεωρούσα ότι είχα κενά (ενδεικτικά, έκανα τα HY neuroanatomy, HY embryology). Έκανα και την pathology από Kaplan (διάβασμα από Goljan RR), που μου άφησε μέτριες εντυπώσεις. Τα Kaplan audio lectures τα έκανα αργότερα (όταν δεν πήρα όσο περίμενα στα simulation tests) και με βοήθησαν αρκετά. First aid (με τα corrections που έχει στο site) αφού τελείωνα κάθε αντικείμενο, και πολλές φορές επανάληψη μέχρι το τέλος.

Δεν μου αρέσουν οι αψιμαχίες, ούτε οι κοκορομαχίες. Ούτε η πρόθεσή μου εδώ είναι να τσακώνομαι, αλλά δεν ανέχομαι τις ανευ λόγου επιθέσεις. Η πρόθεσή μου, είναι να βοηθάω όσο μπορώ αυτούς που βρίσκονται στην δεινή θέση που βρέθηκα εγώ όταν προσπαθούσα ΜΟΝΟΣ μου, χωρίς βοήθεια, και ίσα-ίσα με ανθρώπους να προσπαθούν να με αποπροσανατολίσουν για να “μην τα καταφέρω”. Αυτό είναι το μεγαλύτερο κόμπλεξ: Η ανασφάλεια του να MHN είσαι “μοναδικός”..

Αυτά, για να μπουν τα πράγματα στη σωστή τους βάση και να εξηγούμαστε σαν άντρες. Και το σταματάω ΕΔΩ. Ο νοων νοείτο, που λες και εσύ.

Πάω τώρα να να βυθιστώ στα κόμπλεξ μου και στον μοναχικό μου θρόνο. ;-)

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@remy όταν θα κάνεις match (γιατί θα κάνεις), θα καταλάβεις τα λάθη που έγιναν φέτος. Μπορώ, αν και δεν έχω δει την αίτησή σου, να σου πω 2-3. Δεν ξέρω αν θα άλλαζαν το αποτέλεσμα, αλλά το match είναι ΠΟΛΥ ανταγωνιστικό, και δυστυχώς δεν μας παίρνει να υπάρχει το παραμικρό λάθος. Είναι όλοι perfectionists και αν δεν είναι, θέλουν οι υποψήφιοί τους να είναι.

1. personal statement: δεν μπορεί να είναι weird ή non politically correct ή

κάτι που δεν έχουν συνηθίσει. Πρέπει να είναι politically correct with a twist. Το ασυνήθιστο και μοναδικό, είναι μόνο αυτό που είναι μέσα στα όρια του politically correctΠρέπει να είναι σε άψογα αγγλικά, PhD σε αγγλική φιλολογία αγγλικά. Είχαμε πει ότι προσωπικά, πάντα χρησιμοποιώ επαγγελματίες editors.

2. γράμματα: δεν ξέρω αν είχες από αμερικανούς, αλλά σε διαβεβαιώνω ότι οι αμερικανοί γράφουν 1-2 σελίδες τεκμηριωμένους διθυράμβους όταν μας δίνουν γράμματα. Ότι αν δεν πάρουν εμάς στο πρόγραμμα, το πρόγραμμα θα γίνει στάχτη και μπούρμπερη, θα χάσει το accreditation, θα καεί το νοσοκομείο και η πόλη θα υποστεί τσουνάμι. Επίσης ότι στην ζωή τους δεν έχουν ξαναδεί τέτοιο απίθανο άτομο. Είμαστε όλοι απίθανοι; σαφώς όχι. Απλά το γράμμα ΠΡΕΠΕΙ να είναι δοσμένο στα αμερικάνικα πρότυπα. Δεν μπορεί να είναι ένα ξερό, τον ξέρω, είναι καλός. Πρέπει να είναι "πρέπει να τον πάρετε γιατί...". Σε όλες τις (ελάχιστες) δικές μου συνεντεύξεις, όλοι μου έλεγαν για τα stellar γράμματα (και όχι για τα below average scores)

3. program selection: θυμάμαι μου είχες στείλει την λίστα, και προφανώς από καλοπροαίρετη άγνοια, κάποια προγράμματα τύπου Northwestern, Emory (αν θυμάμαι καλά), είναι τόσο snob που ούτε κοιτάνε αιτήσεις από δικούς τους αποφοίτους. Οπότε τσάμπα τα $25. Και γενικά (ΚΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΣΩΣΤΑ) έκανες μια επιλογή πιο μεγάλων πόλεων. Εγώ το ενθαρρύνω, γιατί πιστεύω ότι με τα υψηλά σου scores, μπορεί να μείνεις σε μεγάλη πόλη. Και επιπλέον, γιατί αυτό είναι που θέλεις, και στο τι επιθυμείς, κανένας δεν μπορεί να γίνει κριτής. Δυστυχώς όμως, αυτό μπορεί να έχει συνέπειες.

3. βιογραφικό: εδώ δεν θέλω να γίνω ο Βασιλάκης Καΐλας της ιατρικής, δεν ήμουν ποτέ. Αλλά μπορώ να σε διαβεβαιώσω ότι τα παιδιά που ξέρω και έκαναν match (είμαι σίγουρη ότι υπάρχουν και χιλιάδες που δεν ξέρω και μπορεί να είχαν easy ride)

- ξυπνούσαν 4 η ώρα, έτρεχαν μέχρι τις 5, πήγαιναν 12 ώρες στο εργαστήριο, δούλευαν σαν τους είλωτες σε μικροσκόπια και projects που (αρκετοί) μισούσαν και αυτό ΚΑΘΕ ΜΕΡΑ, χριστούγεννα, πρωτοχρονιές, πάσχατα.

- κοιμόντουσαν μέσα στο εργαστήριο 2 εβδομάδες συνεχόμενα για να τελειώσουν projects των καθηγητάδων τους, δλδ δούλευαν 21 ώρες, κοιμόντουσαν τις 3 σε αυτοσχέδια κρεβάτια, και μετά πάλι στο πείραμα.

- "θάφτηκαν" σε μικρές κολλεγιουπόλεις της αμερικής για 2 χρόνια, θυσιάζοντας κάθε προσωπική, οικογενειακή, φιλική ζωή.(η σεξουαλική ζωή δεν σημαίνει ότι έχεις και ευτυχισμένη προσωπική ζωή)

- φάγανε "σφαλιάρες" όταν ήταν φοιτητές σε προγράμματα, από attendings και άλλους residents και κατάλαβαν ότι το παιχνίδι είναι σκληρό και αν δεν θες να τρως "σφαλιάρες", you have to play by the rules, οπότε τέρμα η γκρίνια, γίνε επαγγελματίας, και suck it up...

- ο/η petepan είπε ότι κάθε μέρα έτρωγε χιόνια με το τσουβάλι για να πάει να κάτσει ερευνητής/τρια σε κάποιο εργαστήριο

- γενικά στραγγάλισαν χωρίς οίκτο πολλές πτυχές της ζωής τους για κάποια χρόνια, για να επιτύχουν την καριέρα τους, και αυτό (100%), με ελάχιστα χρήματα, και με μόνο στόχο να χτίσουν το βιογραφικό.

Αυτά δεν μπορούν να συμπεριληφθούν στην λέξη "connection".

Και άλλες καταστάσεις που είναι σαν τις ιστορίες από τον στρατό που λένε οι άντρες.

Αλλά επιλογές είναι αυτές, άλλος τις κάνει άλλος όχι, και η ζωή προχωράει με αποφάσεις. Γενικά δεν έχεις κάνει κάτι

λάθος. Απλά θέλει ένα μποτοξάκι η όλη υπόθεση, όχι ολικό λίφτινγκ. Μην αφήσεις ένα μάτσο αμερικάνους να σε βάλουν κάτω

και αυτό το "δεν ξέρω τί να κάνω στην ζωή μου" στα 25-27...είναι απίθανο. :) Χαλαρά.

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The above post is one thousand thumbs up post!!!!.

To add a minor detail,what I did was to call each and every single program to ask this simple question: "Do you accept IMGs in your program??"Do it.You will save money.If they say NO politely reply with a Thank you and further on..

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Ένα μεγάλο ευχαριστώ σε petepan, Remy και Loanna που μας παραθέτουν τις πρόσφατες εμπειρίες τους. Σας διαβάζω με μεγάλη προσοχή αφού αν όλα πάνε καλά θα πάω στο match του 12.

@Remy Εύχομαι όλα να σου πάνε καλά και του χρόνου να βρείς θέση οπου πραγματικά επιθυμείς! Πραγματικά δεν σε γνωρίζω προσωπικά αλλα όλη σου η αφήγηση με έκανε σε σε εκτιμήσω απεριόριστα όχι μόνο για την ειλικρινειά σου , αλλα και για το κουράγιο που βρήκες να γράψεις, αντιμέτωπος με την απογοήτευση σου. Μεσα απο την δική σου ιστορία ίσως πολλοί να βλεπουν τους κόπους, τις αποτυχίες τους αλλα και τις επιτυχιες. Θέλω να πιστεύω οτι ο μόνος λόγος που δεν τα κατάφερες ειναι το γεγονός οτι άργησες να είσαι ECFΜG certified. Αν και εγώ απο την πλευρά μου εχω φθάσει στο συμπέρασμα οτι τελικά δεν ειναι μόνο τα σκόρ που μετράνε. Θέλω να πώ, διαβάζοντας και άλλα forum και συζητώντας κατ’ιδιαν με συγγενεις και φίλους που ήδη κάνουν ειδικότητα στις ΗΠΑ, η απόκτηση ειδικότητας δεν αποτελεί απλά ενα χαρτί με 99’. Ισως κατι τετοιο να ίσχυε παλιότερα. Για την ακρίβεια πρόσφατα διάβαζα οτι οι program directors ίσως να προτιμούν άτομα τα οποια διαθέτουν ενα καλό συνολικό πακέτο απο σκορ, κλινική εμπειρία, έρευνα απο οτι απλά δυο 99’ στα στεπς. Η αλήθεια είναι οτι αν το σκεφτούμε έχει λογική. Γιατι να εμπιστευτεί ενας αμερικάνος director κάποιον ο οποίος απλά έκατσε και διάβασε 2 χρόνια full time μην κάνοντας τίποτα αλλο και τα κατάφερε να παρει 99 και να μην πάρει στη θέση του κάποιον π.χ. που στον ίδιο χρόνο έχει 90 ή 95 και πολλα άλλα οπως έρευνα, κλινική εμπειρια ή οτι αλλο και ένα καλό λόγο απο κάποιο συνάδελφο του ο οποίος θα εχει δουλέψει μαζί του και θα μπορεί να εμπιστευτεί.

@Not bad Θα συμφωνήσω με όλα όσα είπες. Επίσης πιστεύω οτι ο όρος connections στην Ελλαδα ειναι τελείως διαφορετική έννοια, θα έλεγα ίσως συνυφασμένη με τον όρο διαφθορά οπου άνθρωποι ακατάλληλοι τοποθετούνται σε λάθος θέσεις. Το να κανεις έρευνα κάπου στην Αμερική και να δουλεύεις αποτελεί αναφαίρετο δικαιωμά σου μετά να ζητήσεις την υποστήριξη σου απο τον άνθρωπο με τον οποιο δούλεψες μαζί. Αν πραγματικά αξίζεις τοτε ο μέντορας σου δεν έχει κανένα λόγο να μην σε στηρίξει στις οποιες αποφάσεις σου.

@ petepan αποτελείς για μενα το πιο τρανό παράδειγμα οτι δουλεύοντας σωστά, έχοντας επιμονή, υπομονή και θέληση τίποτα δεν είναι ανέφικτο. Η επιτυχία σου είναι τεράστια και ελπίζω να τη χαίρεσαι με όλη σου τη ψυχή γιατί πραγματικά την αξίζεις! :)

Συμπερασματικά επιλέξτε απο που και απο ποιους λαμβάνετε πληροφορίες φιλτράρετε και μην ακούτε ανθρώπους που αποσκοπούν στο να δημιουργούν εντυπώσεις.

Καλη συνέχεια σε όλους μας! Η Ελληνική κοινότητα πέρα απο τα φαγώματα της έχει να επιδείξει όχι μόνο λαμπρούς επιστήμονες αλλά και λαμπρούς χαρακτηρες!

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Μην απογοητεύεστε όσοι δεν τα καταφέρατε .Το διάβασμα δεν πάει ποτέ χαμένο.Πιστεύω κ εγώ στον παράγοντα τύχη ,αλλά από τη στιγμή που έκανες την προσπάθειά σου μην αισθάνεσαι τύψεις.Προσπαθείς ξανά του χρόνου κ βρίσκεις κ μία δουλειά σχετική με ιατρική ή πας σε μια κλινική που σε ενδιαφέρει εδώ ελλάδα κ παρακολουθείς.Θα υπάρξουν κ άλλες ευκαιρίες.Συμφωνώ ότι μετράνε οι γνωριμίες ειδικά για Γερμανία.Εγώ προσωπικά δεν θα έπαιρνα στην κλινική μου κάποιους συμφοιτητές μου που τους πήραν έξω.Ο δρόμος της ιατρικής είναι μεγάλος.Στο τέλος θα φανεί ο καλός.Τα πολλά τα χαρτιά δεν σημαίνουν απαραίτητα κ καλός κλινικός γιατρός.Πήγαινε επείγοντα να δεις περιστατικά.Θα γουστάρεις απίστευτα.Μην ξεχνάς είμαστε πολλοί που ξυνόμασταν για ένα χρόνο κ παραπάνω :P

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Remmy,

You are a great person. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I am sorry you did not match. It is so damn hard to get into the system nowdays. I have a lot of friends that had a fairly similar story to say. Dont get discouraged, try again never give up,

Thank you for sharing your story..

AOM

I don't know who my story would help. I don't know who would want to read it.

What I'm pretty sure of is, when I was in your shoes, "you" being all the poor assholes currently studying for the Steps, I skipped stories like mine. They were too depressing. People in the state you're in prefer or rather need to read about the glorious double 99s, the unlikely prematches, the thirty-five-year old graduate that triumphantly matched against all odds and now makes 300 thousand a year in sunny Florida. These are the stories you want to hear and this is not the story I have for you. My story doesn't have a happy ending. Hell it doesn't even have a particularly happy beginning or middle. And frankly, I don't know what good it'll do to you as a cautionary tale either. But if you want it, or even expect it of me as a sort of "thank you", as part of "giving back to the community", fuck it; you can have it. But bear this in mind; you were warned.

I was a mediocre student at best, but smart and disciplined enough not to fail too many classes. As a result, I graduated on time; five years and ten months, not a day more, with an average of just over 6,5. Real fucking achievement as that was, it came with a twist; admittedly I didn't know much Medicine. And ignorance made an added motivation for me to study for the Steps, because, by revising, again and again, pretty much everything I should have learned the previous six years and then by being repeatedly tested on it, I would eventually reach a level, perhaps not of excellence, but of competence. In other words I firmly believed when I'd be through with the USMLEs, in the very least, I'd be in a position to keep somebody alive, diagnose them or maybe even treat them. By now that is the only one of my aspirations to come true.

After graduation and three months of rightful summer vacation, I printed out bootleg copies of Kaplan for Step 2 Clinical Knowledge, got a bunch of colorful highlighters and off I went to Ippokratous 15, 2nd floor in an attempt to mercifully extend my student life. In retrospect, that too was a reason for me sitting the USMLEs. Hundreds of suckers still struggling to get their diploma and there I was, Dustin-fucking-Hoffman in the "Graduate", secretly longing for an arrest in my development, for a chance to be essentially care-free for just a little while longer. I wanted to buy myself more time, to clinch on my fading belated teen years, fearing they'd been the best of my life and now were behind me. I meant for time to go back and stand still in the days when, after class- if I had any, I went to have coffee, then lunch, then a cigarette break, then coffee again, then another cigarette break, all that nicotine- and caffeine-fueled mental and palatal masturbation interrupted by, well, studying to get a 5 or a 6. That's all I wanted, all I needed and most of the time all I got.

(To confirm what you read ten lines above, yes, I inverted the sequence of the Steps. No, it didn't do any harm, nor was it more difficult. In fact, contrary to the widely accepted and advised strategy of sitting them in sequence -and I quote: "with Step 1 you learn everything you need to for 2 CK"- sitting them in reverse is actually smarter. If 1 gives you 70% of CK, 2 gives you 50% of 1 and 1 is so much broader in scope and material. So, with half of 1 already done, you have a chance to look further into the basic sciences. Plus, it's more convenient if you've graduated recently, because by then who the fuck can remember what an "ectoderm" is anyway.)

I also thought it would be a good idea to add a little research background to the mix. Initially I planned to do a Ph.D, but upon realizing that included staying in Greece for three years and doing full-time work to achieve something meaningless outside or even inside the country, I changed my mind. I settled for being a "research fellow" instead, for whatever it's worth. I was entrusted with collecting data for a retrospective study, doing patient documentation for KEELPNO and writing a case report.

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I don't know who my story would help. I don't know who would want to read it.

What I'm pretty sure of is, when I was in your shoes, "you" being all the poor assholes currently studying for the Steps, I skipped stories like mine. They were too depressing. People in the state you're in prefer or rather need to read about the glorious double 99s, the unlikely prematches, the thirty-five-year old graduate that triumphantly matched against all odds and now makes 300 thousand a year in sunny Florida. These are the stories you want to hear and this is not the story I have for you. My story doesn't have a happy ending. Hell it doesn't even have a particularly happy beginning or middle. And frankly, I don't know what good it'll do to you as a cautionary tale either. But if you want it, or even expect it of me as a sort of "thank you", as part of "giving back to the community", fuck it; you can have it. But bear this in mind; you were warned.

I was a mediocre student at best, but smart and disciplined enough not to fail too many classes. As a result, I graduated on time; five years and ten months, not a day more, with an average of just over 6,5. Real fucking achievement as that was, it came with a twist; admittedly I didn't know much Medicine. And ignorance made an added motivation for me to study for the Steps, because, by revising, again and again, pretty much everything I should have learned the previous six years and then by being repeatedly tested on it, I would eventually reach a level, perhaps not of excellence, but of competence. In other words I firmly believed when I'd be through with the USMLEs, in the very least, I'd be in a position to keep somebody alive, diagnose them or maybe even treat them. By now that is the only one of my aspirations to come true.

After graduation and three months of rightful summer vacation, I printed out bootleg copies of Kaplan for Step 2 Clinical Knowledge, got a bunch of colorful highlighters and off I went to Ippokratous 15, 2nd floor in an attempt to mercifully extend my student life. In retrospect, that too was a reason for me sitting the USMLEs. Hundreds of suckers still struggling to get their diploma and there I was, Dustin-fucking-Hoffman in the "Graduate", secretly longing for an arrest in my development, for a chance to be essentially care-free for just a little while longer. I wanted to buy myself more time, to clinch on my fading belated teen years, fearing they'd been the best of my life and now were behind me. I meant for time to go back and stand still in the days when, after class- if I had any, I went to have coffee, then lunch, then a cigarette break, then coffee again, then another cigarette break, all that nicotine- and caffeine-fueled mental and palatal masturbation interrupted by, well, studying to get a 5 or a 6. That's all I wanted, all I needed and most of the time all I got.

(To confirm what you read ten lines above, yes, I inverted the sequence of the Steps. No, it didn't do any harm, nor was it more difficult. In fact, contrary to the widely accepted and advised strategy of sitting them in sequence -and I quote: "with Step 1 you learn everything you need to for 2 CK"- sitting them in reverse is actually smarter. If 1 gives you 70% of CK, 2 gives you 50% of 1 and 1 is so much broader in scope and material. So, with half of 1 already done, you have a chance to look further into the basic sciences. Plus, it's more convenient if you've graduated recently, because by then who the fuck can remember what an "ectoderm" is anyway.)

I also thought it would be a good idea to add a little research background to the mix. Initially I planned to do a Ph.D, but upon realizing that included staying in Greece for three years and doing full-time work to achieve something meaningless outside or even inside the country, I changed my mind. I settled for being a "research fellow" instead, for whatever it's worth. I was entrusted with collecting data for a retrospective study, doing patient documentation for KEELPNO and writing a case report.

CK took me five, very, very difficult months. I'd bought a copy of First Aid and by the time I was nearing the exam, it was twice as thick as the original, its pages filled with my scribblings on whatever white space I could find around the text and with paper notes tucked in between them. What's more, I created what I named "The Book of Job"; it was essentially an empty phonebook, where the letters were replaced by topic initials. In there I used to write everything I kept failing to remember as well as material and mnemonics from USMLEWorld, on which I practiced for the better part of three months. Eventually, it got to the point where "The Book of Job" in essence became a condensed, hand-written version of "UWorld". Boy that came in handy and it sometimes still does.

One day, in late April, I went to Thessaloniki to sit 2 CK. On that train I kept listening to Danny Elfman's "Alice in Wonderland" score, identifying with Alice, going off to fight my own "Jabberwocky" or whatever the fuck the name of that dragon was. It was funny, because not since Panellinies had I thought of exams as battles to be won. It's kind of sad -or ridiculous- on a sound mind, but at that point I needed all the strength I could get and if movies could provide that (and they never, ever fail me), so fucking be it. I was Aragorn in the final stand for Gondor, Robin Hood fighting off Nottingham's troops, Ryan landing on Normandy; I was going into battle determined to chop motherfucking heads off and take no prisoners.

2 CK was the longest 9 hours of my life, but training on UWorld made it much more bearable. I skipped the tutorial, I already knew the interface. I took a 5- or 10-minute break every 2 blocks. My pre-exam diet as well as break snacks consisted of crackers and tea, fearing anything else would and probably would have given me the skitters. Damn my IBS. Coming out of the Fullbright building, strolling along the port, on my way to "Ruby Tuesday's" and the biggest burger I could sink my teeth in, I had the feeling I'd done rather well- perhaps too well for my sake. I was never accurate at assessing how well I did in exams, so for all I knew I could have fucked it up royally.

I got a 96.

So now it was time for CS. It was supposed to be the easiest- and who am I kidding, it was the easiest of the three. That of course doesn't mean it's in itself easy. As the name of the exam suggests, you must have skills to show.

I chose Atlanta, GA; it was south and sunny, it had free slots, there was a direct flight via Delta, a nice motel 5 minutes away from the exam center and I had this mental image of myself enjoying a nice glass of bourbon on a porch with some old, hatted, bearded Southern gentleman, at sunset, while his daughter, the Southern Belle/Vivien Leigh lookalike, would bring us platters of fried chicken wings with barbecue sauce. Then perhaps she'd let me have my way with her in the bushes of their rose orchard. From behind. Yeah... Well, that didn't happen. But I painted a nice picture there... really nice... OK, where was I? Oh, right, the exam.

If you download the video tutorial from USMLE.org you'll get a very good idea of the do's and dont's. In the beginning it seems almost scarily complex and easy to miss or do something against regulation. But it's a routine to be practiced and learned, like dance steps for an immensely boring soiree which happens to be your debutant ball: knock on the door, wait 3-5 seconds, enter, introduce yourself, shake hands, smile, dress the actor, put a stool under their feet and proceed asking the "LIQORs" and the "PAMs" and the "FOSSes". Then perform a very focused exam, say your assesment, answer any questions and out the door to write the note. I practiced all that with my girlfriend, my sister and her boyfriend. Soon I got the hang of it, though I could never get fully used to it and I always, always missed something. I went through First Aid for CS twice and by the second time I'd compiled a very essential walkthrough. I made some additional notes and pointers by trancribing the Kaplan Lectures for the CSA exam.

When I got to Atlanta, a walk in the park it was not; I could tell some of the actors were giving me a funny look. They were probably baffled by my accent, wondering of what depraved exotic origin this motherfucker could possibly be and how dared I pollute the space their homegrown American girls and boys rightfully occupied. But make no mistake, only a few were cold and indifferent. Most were pretty nice and they were good actors. The exam itself lasted about 7 hours and the first 2 flew by - as opposed to the computerized tests where time weighs on your shoulders from very early on. Of course even in the CS after a while, you're starting to feel it, but the whole process is thankfully over right before the feeling becomes unbearable. Then you go outside, you smell the fresh air, you wonder what the sun is still doing up there and off to your motel where you order a club sandwich with curly fries and a mayo dip, a hard drink and some good hotel porn. And cigarettes too, I mean, if you booked a smoking suite.

Results of CS are usually available within six weeks, but each year there's a new schedule. I sat CS on May 26th. I got the results back on August 17th. I had passed.

I started preparing for Step 1 in mid-June, I wanted to have some time off in-between. Initially I was shocked at what I had to study and how unhelpful First Aid for Step 1 was. It was basically diagrams, tables and indexes, with very little text compared to the one for CK. I tried the Kaplan videos, but it took me 2 minutes to make notes of 30 seconds worth of time, so I said "fuck that". I went back to the old, tried and true recipe of Kaplan lecture notes, FA, UWorld (from about late July to early August) with some much helpful insight from... Moutsopoulos/McPhee and Asteriou. Seriously. I would never have understood Immunology or Metabolism if it weren't for these books. I finished Basic Sciences first, then I essentially revised CK with an extra dose of therapeutics and I did that again and again until I had completed four passings of each.

My approach up until that point had been "pass the exams, do good, then worry about the ERAS and the NRMP and shit". What's more I was pretty sure I could register at both in October or November (true, but NOT adivsable). So when at the end of August I realized it would take them 4 weeks minimum to upload my letters (which I didn't even have at the time), I panicked. Fortunately I got the letters shipped in no time (via ELTA no less), tracked them through OASIS and finally was relieved to see them uploaded in ADTS by the end of September, along with yet another translated copy of my medical school transcript. Now all I missed was a Step 1 score.

I sat Step 1 on October 5th, in Kallithea. I now knew the drill and my anxiety was minimal. I answered question after question with an ease that at first made me cautious; had they saved the worst for last? But vignette after vignette, block after block, almost nothing made me pause and think much, with the exception of the occasional statistics where I didn't have a clue beyond the basics, so I didn't really give a shit. I finally finished, almost an hour early. And when I went outside that evening, I knew it was over.

I got a 98.

I learned the results on October 27th, I applied to 50 programs on October 28th, then 13 more about five days later. I insisted on paying for them myself. I had specifically researched every program and spotted those that claimed to "not require US clinical experience". I made an excel sheet of them, listing contact info, salary, benefits, application deadlines. And I sent out my applications hoping for the best. Poor, poor pitiful me. I should have seen this coming. After all, come to think of it, I had applied on our National Day of "No".

I spent the next two months waiting and pretty much enjoying myself. After all, I was entitled to it. Some answers came, they were all negative. But from the bulk of them there was no word. Zilch. Nothing. Everyone I consulted on that, said that was a good sign. "If they weren't considering you at all, they would 've notified you by now" said some of my wisest, down-to-earth friends. I found this both comforting and logical too. After all I had paid 25$ per application, so in my eyes they at least owed me the courtesy of expressing their disinterest in a free email.

By January I had 17 negative replies and no others of either kind. I started to get antsy so I posted at other forums and the response I got was something like this:

Johny Johnson: "You're an IMG with no 99/99, no US clinical experience and you applied in late October? What the fuck did you think was gonna happen? That you would get an interview? LOL!"

Jack Jackson: "And you're still waiting for an invitation? LMAO!"

Remy Fincher: "But don't I deserve a written rejection at least?"

Robert Roberts:"You don't deserve shit! The programs don't owe you shit! They don't have to reply if they don't want to. But I'll tell you what, you look like a nice kid, why don't you call them up and ask what the status of your application is and beg them for an interview"

And so I did. I filled my Skype account and started calling all over the Eastern U.S. Some programs didn't answer, others told me their interview slots were already full, others even went on saying that if I hadn't had an invitation, then I should have gathered they weren't interested. Some had an entirely different issue with my application (a conversation with a program coordinator in Florida went something like this):

PC: "We can't consider you for a position, because you don't have a visa."

RF: "But surely, if you were willing to offer me a position, the ECFMG would sponsor a visa.."

PC: (laughs) "Right, but we're not going to offer you a position."

Out of that hassle, I managed to get an interview in New York and a one-month observership in Connecticut. The interview was for a program that offered 40 positions, but had interviewed 600 applicants. I went there in my brand new 500$ suit, made the best impression I could, sent three "thank you" emails the very same day, then a signed, Fed-exed letter 10 days later stating they were my #1 choice (all advised by the Amazon-recommended 5-star book "200 Rules to get a Residency Match"). I did everything right this time, literally by the book, at least I tried to. Which is what made me have just a tiny glimpse of hope, that maybe, maybe they would rank me highly enough. That maybe the impossible would happen, maybe I would get to be that guy that matched after only one interview and people would read about me in Greekmeds and would rejoice and my underdog story would fill them with hope of their own.

I didn't stand a chance. And the only thing I regret is ever hoping. If you don't hope, you don't get dissappointed; just, once in a blue moon, you're pleasantly surprised.

So I didn't match. I didn't find anything on Scramble either, despite seizing 65 programs all over America by air, land and sea (a.k.a fax, email and ERAS). What is more my case report got rejected by both journals we submitted it to, the study I undertook seems to be dead in the water and I got a very impatient KEELPNO employee waiting to have her patient records. My GERD is back. And I have no clue what to do with my life, where to go next or what to do. I'll try next year, that's for sure and maybe this time around I'll do things differently. There's one thing I'll definitely do differently. I won't listen to anyone.

I listened to people saying IM was unattractive to Americans and all I had to do was get good scores. They didn't tell me about the Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese and all the others with double 99s and years of research in the US vying for the same positions (and getting them); And who said Americans don't like IM, anyway?

I listened to people saying programs usually reply to you. For their information, they don't have to and many don't even bother.

I listened when programs claimed to have a November/December/January/ May (!) deadline. This deadline evidently does not apply to guys like you and me.

I listened when programs also claimed to not require US clinical experience, but then afterwards they rejected me due to lack of it.

I listened when programs also claimed to give equal opportunities to US citizens and foreigners alike, then went on to shut their door on my face because I didn't have a visa (how the fuck would I get a visa without a job?)

From now on, I'll do as I please. I'll chart my own course and pay no attention to either the pessimists or the optimists, the naysayers or the goodie-goodies, those who doubt me and those who are "sure" I'm going to get a pre-match next year. I get that a lot nowadays. People are sure I'm going to match next year. I'm not sure. You shouldn't be either, about yourselves. Because if there's a lesson to be learned from my story is that the Universe is ruled by Randomness. I don't doubt there were people that did get pre-matches or did match with no US clinical experience or did match after only one interview or even did receive replies from most programs they applied to; but I was not one of them. In fact thousands were not one of them, but then again many were. So upon deciding to put yourselves through this wretched ordeal to meet your fate across the Atlantic, please keep in mind (or don't, what the fuck do I care?) that you could fall in either category. You could be either. Which one you want to believe you'll fall in is a choice I leave to you. But remember:

If you don't hope, you don't get dissappointed; just, once in a blue moon, you're pleasantly surprised.

@ Remy:

Συμφωνώ με alefantos και notbad, απόλυτα σε όλα όσα λένε.

Είσαι πολύ αξιόλογος και η προσπάθεια που έκανες θα πιάσει τόπο. Είναι σίγουρο. Όπως είπε ο Αλέφαντος, και η notbad, στο λέω και εγώ: MATCH ΘΑ ΚΑΝΕΙΣ. Είχες μια ατυχία, η οποία ίσως και δεν ήταν τελείως ατυχία γιατί σε κάποια πράγματα ίσως να μην έδωσες σημασία στις λεπτομέρειες, και αυτό είναι σημαντικότατο. The five P’s: “Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance”.

Μην αφήσεις μία ατυχία να σε καταβάλλει. Κατάλαβες κάποια πράγματα που έγιναν, και τα οποία θα μπορούσες να τα είχες κάνει καλύτερα.

Αυτή τη στιγμή, είναι λογικό να σκέφτεσαι έτσι, καθώς και να αισθάνεσαι όπως αισθάνεσαι. Άνθρωπος είσαι και έκανες μια προσπάθεια που δεν πέτυχε με την πρώτη. Η προσπάθεια σου είναι αξιοθαύμαστη, σωστή και ΜΗΝ ΤΑ ΠΑΡΑΤΑΣ ΠΟΤΕ!

Εκμεταλλεύσου αυτό το χρόνο όπως εσύ θα ήθελες και πιστεύεις ότι μπορείς. Ρώτα ανθρώπους που θα σου δώσουν σωστές συμβουλές για το τι ακριβώς θα ήταν το καλύτερο να κάνεις. Αυτό είναι ακόμη πιο σημαντικό σε αυτή τη δύσκολη στιγμή που εκ των πραγμάτων, είναι δύσκολο να σκεφτείς χωρίς το έντονο συναίσθημα.

Θυμίσου με, την ίδια εποχή του χρόνου όλα αυτά θα τα έχεις αφήσει πίσω σου, έχοντας προχωρήσει, και θα αποτελούν μακρινό παρελθόν.

Να είσαι καλά, και για ο,τιδήποτε μπορούμε να σε βοηθήσουμε όσο μπορούμε, με μεγάλη χαρά, απλά ρώτα.

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Συγχαρητήρια στους matched και καλό κουράγιο και καλή συνέχει στους non matched. Και οι δύο κατηγορίες μας δίνουν κουράγιο αλλά και μαθήματα σε όσους είμαστε στην αρχή της προσπάθειας.

Θα ήθελα να ρωτήσω η γνώμη αυτών που γνωρίζουν, με έκαναν δεκτό τελικά για ένα observership και μου ζητούν αποδεικτικό οτι έχω ασφάλιση (περίθαλψη όχι αστικής ευθύνης) που να με καλύπτει στις ΗΠΑ. Εγώ είμαι ασφαλισμένος στο ΤΣΑΥ (ή όπως αλλοιώς το λένε τώρα) και ξέρω οτι υπάρχει η κάρτα διεθνούς ασφάλισης και ξέρω επίσης οτι αυτή με καλύπτει στην ΕΕ, με τις ΗΠΑ όμως τι γίνεται; ρώτησα στο τοπικό υποκατάστημα αλλά δεν ήξεραν την τύφλα τους (surprised?nope!) και έτσι προσπαθώ να επικοινωνήσω με τ ακεντρικά στην Αθήνα, που όμως δεν το σηκώνει κανένας (5 διαφορετικά τηλέφωνα), γνωρίζετε τι ισχύει; ή μήπως είναι καλύτερα να αγοράσω ταξιδιωτική ασφάλεια; ή ακόμα ακόμα επειδή αμέσως μετά το observership αρχίζει το postdoc να αγοράσω απο εκεί ασφάλιση; συμφέρει; τι με συμβουλεύετε; emstupid

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Συγχαρητήρια στους matched και καλό κουράγιο και καλή συνέχει στους non matched. Και οι δύο κατηγορίες μας δίνουν κουράγιο αλλά και μαθήματα σε όσους είμαστε στην αρχή της προσπάθειας.

Θα ήθελα να ρωτήσω η γνώμη αυτών που γνωρίζουν, με έκαναν δεκτό τελικά για ένα observership και μου ζητούν αποδεικτικό οτι έχω ασφάλιση (περίθαλψη όχι αστικής ευθύνης) που να με καλύπτει στις ΗΠΑ. Εγώ είμαι ασφαλισμένος στο ΤΣΑΥ (ή όπως αλλοιώς το λένε τώρα) και ξέρω οτι υπάρχει η κάρτα διεθνούς ασφάλισης και ξέρω επίσης οτι αυτή με καλύπτει στην ΕΕ, με τις ΗΠΑ όμως τι γίνεται; ρώτησα στο τοπικό υποκατάστημα αλλά δεν ήξεραν την τύφλα τους (surprised?nope!) και έτσι προσπαθώ να επικοινωνήσω με τ ακεντρικά στην Αθήνα, που όμως δεν το σηκώνει κανένας (5 διαφορετικά τηλέφωνα), γνωρίζετε τι ισχύει; ή μήπως είναι καλύτερα να αγοράσω ταξιδιωτική ασφάλεια; ή ακόμα ακόμα επειδή αμέσως μετά το observership αρχίζει το postdoc να αγοράσω απο εκεί ασφάλιση; συμφέρει; τι με συμβουλεύετε; emstupid

Επειδή είχα ψάξει και εγώ το θέμα με τα διαδικαστικά του observership είχα βρει στο site του Jefferson University (http://www.jefferson.edu/oies/healthinsurance.cfm?version=print) κάποια site από τα οποία αγοράζεις την ασφάλεια που σου ταιριάζει και για το χρονικό διάστημα που τη χρειάζεσαι και το έψαξα κυρίως για να μην μπλέξω με την γραφειοκρατική άγνοια-ανεπάρκεια των υπαλλήλων των ελληνικών ασφαλιστικών ιδρυμάτων.Δεν τις έχω χρησιμοποιήσει ακόμα γιατί δεν έχω κανονίσει ακόμα το observership αλλά σου παραθέτω παρακάτω τα site για να ρίξεις μια ματιά.Φρόντισε μόνο πριν αγοράσεις κάτι να δεις μήπως εκεί που σε δέχτηκαν έχουν κάποιες ειδικές απαιτήσεις για το περιέχομενο της ασφάλειας και επικοινώνησε για να τους ρωτήσεις λεπτομέρειες.Με τα άλλα ερωτήματα που θέτεις δεν έχω ασχοληθεί ιδιαίτερα οπότε αν κάποιος άλλος ξέρει κάτι θα σε ενημερώσει.Καλή συνέχεια!

Insurance for B-1 Visa Status or Visa Waiver Observers/Volunteers

Insurance plan MUST INCLUDE evacuation and repatriation benefits!!

ISO Health Insurance Plans

NRIOL Insurance for B1/B2 Visitors

INSUBUY insurance options for international Visitors

International Travel Medical Insurance (Atlas America)

Visit Insurance (if you or your spouse needs maternity coverage)

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Αν και δε με ενδιαφέρει άμεσα το συγκεκριμένο τόπικ, θα ήθελα να δώσω συγχαρητήρια σε όσους μοιράζονται τις εμπειρίες τους μαζί μας και κυρίως σε όσους δεν πέτυχαν προς το παρόν το στόχο τους.

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IMG PERFORMANCE IN THE 2011 MATCH

For the ninth consecutive year, the number of first-year (PGY-1) residencypositions offered through the Match increased. A total of 23,421 first-yearpositions were offered in the 2011 Match, held earlier this month. Thisrepresents an increase of 612 positions compared to last year and an increaseof more than 2,800 positions since 2002.

The number of IMGs, including Fifth Pathway participants, who matched tofirst-year positions decreased by 60 compared to 2010. Of the 10,477 IMGs whoparticipated in the 2011 Match, 4,626 (44.2%) matched. In the 2010 Match, 4,686(42.4%) IMGs were matched to first-year positions.

Of the 6,659 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 2,721 (40.9%)obtained first-year positions. The number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs who obtainedpositions in 2011 decreased by 160 compared to last year.

Of the 3,769 U.S. citizen IMG participants, 1,884 (50.0%) were matched tofirst-year positions, an increase of 135 over last year. This is the eighth consecutiveyear that there has been an increase in the number of U.S. citizen IMGsmatching to first-year positions.

Of the 49 Fifth Pathway participants in the Match, 21 (42.9%) were matched tofirst-year positions.

It is important to note that the total number of IMGs who will fill PGY-1positions for the 2011-2012 academic year will be higher than the numberobtaining positions through the 2011 Match. Although the majority of PGY-1positions in the United States are filled through the Match, a significantnumber of IMG applicants obtain positions outside of the Match. For example,while 4,796 IMGs obtained PGY-1 positions through the 2009 Match, 7,335 IMGsentered PGY-1 for the 2009-2010 academic year.

The 7,335 IMGs entering PGY-1 for the 2009-2010 academic year is an increase of59 over the prior year and an increase of 1,262 since the 2002-2003 academicyear.

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