alekmarin

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  1. haha And I though was the rude and abrupt in the forum
  2. My view is that previous exposure to the system as an undergrad- is crucial . There is a great distance from saying in medical school " I want to do my specialty in the UK" from validating that experience yourself. And I do know that 1-3 months is possibly nothing, but still you need to have a minor incentive to draw you back to this uncertainty once you ve graduated. @Amy Pond I could not afford an elective either , and therefore went straight for erasmus placement ; secured the erasmus funding and spent more months as well. Placements are not that popular , probably because greek unis do not tend to promote them; but the opportunity is out there. I think αγροτικό is purely a waste of time and once you ve started here you might need time to get rid most of the things that you "learnt" there. I havent done my primary service as I embarked straight on to military; I would potentially justify it if you wish to have time/income to finish your courses and complete your GMC rego ( IELTS exam can be sometimes very tricky ) We are always here to help and advise based on our personal experience. Best of luck
  3. Dear @Kostas Dakis Unfortunately, Alexandros Boukas is painfully right again. Some ignorant cocky greek graduates who come to the uk with the plan to serve any experience from αγρότικο , military service, father's private practice (literally I heard than once) , may manage to get alternative certificate of foundation competences signed off . However that does not render them nowhere near their UK equivalents! And I agree that since that paper meets the essential criteria for CT recruitment you may be initially eligible to apply; I am afraid though that unless your CV is already massively strong, you may end up unappointable for not having completed things that your peers have during their foundation years. Hence, I will reiterate what Alexandros Boukas rightfully said many years ago; " if you want to train in the UK, leave ASAP post military service/graduation". I doubt whether your "πήγες" who mention that you can apply for core surgical training straight from agrotiko(?!?) have EVER worked in the system; all of us were blindsided before coming here, but honestly that seems purely unrealistic if not naive. Your generation is very lucky as you can apply straight for full two year foundation programme with full GMC reg! This changed last year! Until now none of us where able and we had to apply separately for every single foundation year. PS: you need to stop perpetuating the greek mentality of finishing as soon as possible! If you want to get trained here you need to follow exactly the same pattern of training like uk graduates. Again , if time issues essentially frustrate you, and you wish to be surgical επιμελητής on your 30s, then you should possibly reconsider surgical training in Greece. The world is your oyster Happy to help
  4. I did a placement as an undegrad aiming to gain an insight of the system; the truth is that as an observer you approach the system superficially and only witness how physicians interact with pts, teams etc Sometimes this can be enough to make a career decision though...But be prepared that you should not expect a deeper appreciation of the NHS if you are not exposed as employee with responsibilities towards patients, famillies and colleagues. Sometimes it sounds unrealistic to decide from a different country whether you need to plunge to this strenuous but honestly rewarding pathway. However, my feeling is that most colleagues in this thread have already decided if they wish to fill αναμονή gaps or embark and complete full training in the uk! For those who wish to get trained here it s best to start as an FY1 at least for couple of months and then complete an year of FY2/ clinical fellow. I would definitely recommend LAT F2 specifically, as your training is safeguarded by the deanerie and you know in advance what aims you need to complete to get your competencies signed off. if you have worked in Greece and still wish to do training here then I would suggest start from clinical fellow posts and then get you foundation competencies signed off (preferably by an English consultant). Hopefully, all the above will make you successful to a CT interview - it will always depend on the specialty and the training level you wish t enter. Direct transition from overseas to ST3 is alsost impossible (if not hypomaniac plan) PS : what constitutes competitive is fairly reflected on how inadequate one's preparation has been. I will agree with Alexandros Boukas on the basis that you need to start from the bottom and drive youself to the top. I am sorry but there is no room for the greek mentality of rushing things to finish specialty. Each year should form a necessary step that will built you with knowledge, skills and resilience to tackle future challenges that come across and eventually succeed. ?
  5. Apologises for my manner... Evidently, sometimes can be too direct to digest. No need to study prior to 50th page, as the Uk's specialty pathway was restructured on the foundation/core trainee basis approximately after 2007. If you dont have any previous exposure of the NHS before, what might initially buffle you is all the wide range of different job/grade titles (sho, clinical fellow, ST1-2, CT1-2...st3 etc). Essentially, I sense that the main issue that you need to be sorting out, is whether you wish to get trained or gained experience in the UK healththacare system, (as there is a district difference in terms of being trained and providing service). If you just wish to fill the αναμονή gap right until embarking on your gastro vanancy, then the training pathway is possibly not an option for you and you need to consider clinical fellow/ST1-St2 posts ( or SHO in colloquial speech). Ideally, in certain Trusts trainees and non trainees receive equivalent teaching and education (and you can easily serve it as " εξειδίκευση" when going back to Greece). Alternatively,If you r seriously thinking to get fully trained and obtain your gastro CCT in the uk, then I would agree with @Alexandros Boukas. Two years of "Παθολογία" in Greece unfortunately cannot account for core medical competencies. Even if your medical knowledge is outstanding you would not be able to apply it properly or function safely due to your lack of experience of a completely differenct system ( as unlike Greece, in the NHS legal and ethical issues do matter and need to be in line with your practice so that you maintain you licence). In this case, you could start working as a clinical fellow to get yourslef through the system, while trying to tick the boxes of the things that would make you succesful in a CMT interview ( audits, presentations, teaching, mrcp part 1 etc). My experience has showed me that once someone starts/completes a part of an uncoupled specialty in another country ( i.e παθολογία as a apart of gastro), they tend to stay here for a fixed term until returning back ( not always the norm but surely the majority). The reason why I urged you to go through the thread is to get a clear insight of the system and ask yourslef of what pathway do you wish to proceed eventally. P.s I have been to many meetings/seminars(only in greece though) regarding english medical jobs. To be perfectly honest, I think that in such seminars they basically approach the system too superficially for a prospective doctor to consolidate what his aims should be. Maybe the best for you is to read doctor's experiences through this thread and liaise with any familiar colleague that you have here to guide you properly. (Avoid British Council in Athens as they take advantage of your aspiration by charging ridiculously any piece of advice/assistance you might ask for). Good Luck alekmarin
  6. Αγαπητέ Med21 Ειλικρινά δεν θέλω να φανώ αγενής, αλλά είναι προκλητικό να κάνεις τη πιο προφανή ερώτηση σε ένα φόρουμ ηλικίας 10 χρόνων κ. Μπες στον κόπο να ξεκινήσεις από σελίδα 70 onwards μέχρι σήμερα και θα βρείς απαντήσεις σε ερωτήσεις που ούτε καν είχες σκεφτεί ( είναι προφανές ότι δεν γνωρίζεις βασικά πράγματα από την ερώτηση που κάνεις) PS1: όλοι όσοι ενδιαφερόμασταν πραγματικά το κάναμε( εγώ ξεκίνησα από σελίδα 1 και μ πήρε 4 απογεύματα - not a big deal) PS2: Νομίζω ότι δεν μπήκες στο κόπο να διαβάσεις καν ούτε τα post σε αυτή τη σελίδα, καθώς θα είχες ήδη δει το comment που επισυνάπτει πάντα ο Alexandros Boukas στις αναρτήσεις του Κάνε την αρχή και για ότι παραπάνω εδώ είμαστε alekmarin
  7. καλησπέρα Νικολα,

    Έλαβα το θάρρος να σου στείλω γιατί όπως είδα από τα posts σου κάνεις master στο ucl. Ήθελα να σε ρωτήσω περι αυτού; εγώ για την ώρα βρίσκομαι στο Λονδίνο ξεκίνησα πριν λίγο καιρό με ένα trust post μέχρι τον Σεπτέμβρη και μου έχει προσφερθεί ένα offer για cardiovascular research στο UCL ( ενδιαφέρομαι για καρδιολογία training στο UK).  Επειδή όμως είναι αρκετά τα χρήματα του master στο Λονδίνο (fees + διαμονή +  personal expenses) είμαι λίγο προβληματισμένος να κάνω το accept. Πιστεύεις ότι εάν το επιχειρήσω θα επωφεληθώ σημαντικά ή να το αναβάλλω και να εκμεταλλευτώ το nhs experience απο τη θέση που είμαι τώρα και να επιχειρήσω να κάνω apply μετά για training f1 ή training F2?? 

     

    thanks in advance ,

    Alex

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    3. alekmarin

      alekmarin

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      alekmarin

      Σορυ για τα greeklish . Αν είναι θα σε πάρω τηλέφωνο αύριο να σε ρωτήσω κάποια πράγματα. Η αλήθεια είναι ότι έχω κάμποσες απορίες :) στο μεταξύ κάνε με add στο FB  " Alexandros Marinakis "

      uk no 07447755989

  8. Sorry Alex my attitude was inexcusable It was just an outrage after a hard day at work where i was judged that I am slow in terms of how i handle paperwok (?!) It is true that I am still thinking based on the Greek mentality. Probably I shouldnt. Anyway things have started to settle as the days go by PS I am a 26 year old chap just came from Greece. pretty long shot if I had a spouse thanks you for you support so far
  9. Με μία πρώτη εμπειρία σε Trust Post σε μεγάλο νοσοκομείο του Λονδίνου , έχω να πω ότι whatever is not training (sho , locum , trust) trully sucks. Η περιγραφή λάντζα είναι πολύ ευγενική και καταλήγεις να κάνεις μετά από ένα σημείο δουλειά γραμματέα. Και είναι αστείο που οι seniors έχουν απαιτήσεις που είσαι αργός λες και κρίνεσαι για το medical part σου. Σε ορισμένα νοσοκομεία μάλιστα είναι προκλητικός ο διαχωρισμός και η αντιμετώπιση μεταξύ non trainees και trainees. Επανέρχομαι λοιπόν σε ότι έχει πει πολλάκις και ο @MoNkEy mAn , @Alexandros Boukas , @Wicked Witchκαι άλλοι πολλοί σε αυτό το forum. Ξεκινήστε με F1 και αν είστε και τυχεροί με lat f1. Με αυτό τον τρόπο θα είστε πιο προστατευμένοι και θα μάθετε το σύστημα και θα έχετε την ικανότητα να χτίσετε πάνω στο portfolio σας. As soon as i finished my military service , I secured this 3 month trust post in order not to leave any gaps within my "training(!?)! . Probably I was blindsided and I should have waited and sought directly either for LAT f1 posts or f2 posts which would start in August. Πιστεύει κανείς ότι με Nhs experience(λάντζα το ονομάζω εγώ) als, atls υπάρχουν προοπτικές για LAt f2 ? Και για f1 θα έκανα αλλά με βλέπω να ακούω τα γνωστά περι overqualified .
  10. Καλημέρα παιδιά! Έγινα shortlisted σε δύο las st1 emergency 6 months ενώ είμαι στο στρατό, και επειδή δεν θέλω να να αφήσω gap μετά το πέρας της θητείας που να φαίνεται στο gmc λέω να κάνω την απόπειρα. το θέμα είναι ότι είναι πρώτη φορά που κάνω applications για το νησί και αναρωτιόμουν εάν τύχαινε και με δεχόντουσαν στη συνέντευξη μήπως θα είχα πρόβλημα να μπω μετέπειτα σε training path? δεδομένου ότι ίσως μου πούνε ότι είμαι overqualified για CT1 ή εναλλακτικά δεν πληρώ τα κριτήρια τους επειδή δεν θα έχω κάνει τα foundation (plus audits ktl ktl) στο uk. υπόψιν ότι προφανώς ενδιαφέρομαι να ακολουθήσω training pathway για το cct ps δεν έχω κάνει ειδικότητα καθόλου Ελλάδα. Φαντάζομαι ότι έγινα shortlisted λόγω υπογεγραμμένου certificate of foundation competences . οποιαδήποτε πληροφορία χρήσιμη thanks in advance
  11. Καλημέρα συνάδελφε! Με συγχωρείς για το θάρρος άλλα είχα μία απορία και αισθάνομαι θα μπορούσες να με βοηθήσεις. (plus έχει κολλήσει το topic και δεν μπορούν να γίνουν upload τα comments) . 

    Έγινα shortlisted σε δύο las st1 emergency ενώ είμαι στο στρατό, και επειδή δεν θέλω να να αφήσω gap μετά το πέρας της θητείας που να φαίνεται στο gmc λέω να κάνω την απόπειρα. το θέμα είναι ότι είναι πρώτη φορά που κάνω applications για το νησί και αναρωτιόμουν εάν τύχαινε και με δεχόντουσαν στη συνέντευξη μήπως θα είχα πρόβλημα να μπω μετέπειτα σε training path? δεδομένου ότι ίσως μου πούνε ότι είμαι overqualified για CT1 ή εναλλακτικά δεν πληρώ τα κριτήρια τους επειδή δεν θα έχω κάνει τα foundation (plus audits ktl ktl) στο uk.

    υπόψιν ότι προφανώς ενδιαφέρομαι να ακολουθήσω training pathway για το cct

    ps δεν έχω κάνει ειδικότητα καθόλου Ελλάδα. Φαντάζομαι ότι έγινα shortlisted λόγω υπογεγραμμένου certificate of foundation competences . 

    οποιαδήποτε πληροφορία χρήσιμη
    thanks in advance