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και οχι μονο απο τους διαχειριστες αλλα και απο ολους τους αλλους που δεν διασκεδαζουν με τις προσωπικες σας διαμαχες.γιαυτον τον λογο υπαρχουν τα πμ.βριστειτε οσο θελετε εκει περα.το να παρακολουθουμε αυτη τη στιχομυθια και απο τους δυο σας τοσην ωρα λες και ειμαστε σε κοκκορομαχιες για να μας αποδειξετε ποιος πηγε φανταρος και ποιος οχι εκτος του οτι δεν μας νοιαζει, δεν προσφερει και κατι σε αυτο το φορουμ.επιστημονες ανθρωποι σου λεει μετα,σπουδαΓμενοι...

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Σωστός. Δικό μου το λάθος και ζητώ συγγνώμη από όλους που παρασύρθηκα. Κάνω edit όλα μου τα ποστς και σταματώ εδώ.

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Μία ερώτηση ortho, τι ώρα είναι τώρα στα μέρη σου;

06:48 πμ. Αλλά όταν δουλεύει κανείς 4 εβδομάδες αποκλειστικά νύχτες, η νύχτα γίνεται ημέρα. :)

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Πόσες φορές θα στο ξαναπώ να μην κάνεις τα λάθη που έκανα εγώ κατά το παρελθόν; Να πω πως είσαι μικρός και δεν καταλαβαίνεις ok, αλλά δεν είσαι γαμώτο.

Άντε κοιμήσου φίλε μου, να είσαι σίγουρος πως θα είναι πολύ πιο δημιουργικό από το να ασχολείσαι με.....

υ.γ.ξέρω, ξέρω, τώρα θα με πάρει κι εμένα η μπάλα....αλλά στα αρχίδια μου!(ευγενέστατος όπως πάντα)

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Η ομορφιά της διαφορετικότητας είναι ότι δεν βλέπουμε ίδια πράγματα, κάτι που επιτρέπει να συζητάμε μεταξύ μας και όχι με τους καθρέφτες μας. :)

Εγώ βλέπω δύο διαφορετικές ιστορίες, μεταξύ τους ασύνδετες. Μιας και σχολίασα το θέμα Νιώτη, να σου απαντήσω στο θέμα Κουράκου καλέ μου Ortho γιατί προφανώς δεν είναι όλα αυτονόητα. Ευθύνη για τις πράξεις των παιδιών του φέρει μόνο όταν τα προτρέπει/συμβουλεύει να πετάξουν τις μολότοφ. Το τηλεφώνημα που έκανε ήταν αναμενόμενο, μην κοροϊδευόμαστε. Κάθε γονιός στην θέση του το ίδιο θα έκανε χωρίς να περιμένει να του το ζητήσουν τα παιδιά του.

Σ'αυτό το σημείο, όμως, να σου πω επίσης κάτι άλλο. Υπάρχουν παιδιά που δεν ανήκουν σε γνωστές οικογένειες ούτε έχουν δόντια και θείους αλλά μολονότι τους έπιασε η αστυνομία δεν στιγματίστηκαν ποτέ. Αν κάποιο από αυτά ανήκε σε γνωστή οικογένεια, θα μας βομβάρδιζαν νυχθημερόν με παράθυρα, συζητήσεις και κοινωνιολόγους.

Επίσης θα ήθελα να μου πείτε αν (και αν ναι, γιατί) δικαιολογείτε ένα παιδί που προέρχεται από μη εύπορη/γνωστή οικογένεια και καταστρέφει δημόσια ή ιδιωτική περιουσία αντί να κατευθυνθεί στα σπίτια των κυβερνώντων. Δυο μέτρα και δυο σταθμά; Θεωρητικά αυτό θα έπρεπε να έχει ακόμα μεγαλύτερο σεβασμό στον κόπο του άλλου.

Οι κινητοποιήσεις της νεολαίας δεν έχουν επαναστατικό χαρακτήρα, αλλά συντηρητικό...

...Δεν είναι τυχαίο μάλιστα ότι το μόνο θετικό αίτημα (αρνητικά είναι όσα λένε όχι στο ένα, όχι στο άλλο, θετικά όσα λένε ναι σε αυτό ναι στο άλλο) των φοιτητών ήταν η αύξηση των χρημάτων στην παιδεία – αίτημα δηλαδή απόλυτα σύμφωνο με την πολιτική των μεγάλων κομμάτων ( = αύξηση δημοσίων δαπανών = αύξηση δανεισμού του κράτους = αύξηση δημοσίου ελλείματος – η πολιτική που εφαρμόζει η ελίτ δηλαδή.)

Μόνο λάθος ότι τα παιδιά του Νιώτη δεν ήταν στην διαδήλωση, αλλά το παραπάνω είναι πάρα πολύ σωστό!!

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Όχι ρε συ, κάθε άλλο, τον διασκεδάζω αφάνταστα... Αλλά δεν είναι σωστό να χαλάει το τόπικ, γι'αυτό έχει δίκιο ο ξένος.

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Δεν καταλαβαίνω πού βρίσκεις το "λαϊκισμό" μου.

Yes

Allow me to translate

I speak nime talk

You are an ‘ultranationalist’ means you are a sensible realistic patriot

You are ‘xenophobic’ means you are not racist against Greeks

You are ‘ignorant’ means you are unwilling to accept his tortured logic, inconsistencies and unchecked facts as the word of god no matter how may times he is willing to repeat them for you

You are ‘backwards’ means you are not ideologically stuck in the nineties despite having been proved wrong by historical and political developments time and time again

And you are ‘populist’ means you are democratic, public spirited and speak to the heart of the matter without beating around the bush

BTW, gee nime thanks for noticing! You re too kind

For the record there are no ‘conservatives’ in Greece because there is nothing left to conserve

‘Progressives’ have f-ed up pretty much all aspects of our country, culture and society

A Reactionary, reacting as any sensible individual should, against the disastrous effects of moronic so called ‘progressive’ ideas and ideals is the best anyone can hope to be

In Greece the debate is between two sets of failed reformers the left (which failed in the eighties) and the nime lot (which failed in the nineties)

As to the point made

Well no,

December 08 and the anti-Giannakou mobilization are separate and different in terms of the participants and the orientation

Giannakou was indeed opposed partly on the basis of concerns about unemployment, job security, low wages etc.

At the same time she got the worst of the opposition to the privatization of higher education. Both major parties and all ministers following her downfall set aside this issue and so this could not have been and was not part of the December debate.

Also it is evident that the media and the opposition under Papandreou were backing up and instigating the December riots while they were supportive of both the privatization plan and the university reform pushed by Giannakou

The December rioters received support from the archbishop and the union of industrialists

No such mobilization of the PASOK run establishment occurred under Giannakou – the left was on it’s own against her

What blew out of proportion the strength of the mobilization against her which was limited to the left was the fact that she made sure she isolated herself from any potential source of support.

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Purely objectively, some key measures proposed were provokingly DUMB

Like setting an absolute rather than a percentile cut off grade. The uprising against her was about increasing spending? Really? This a woman who did not hesitate to make greek taxpayers pay for GHOST schools without students! She could have shut down; schools and universities that she felt were redundant! She could have shut down entire institutions with overlapping departments

She could reduce places in ALL schools including the popular ones. ALL these would have the same effect on the budget but far better effects on the economy and the labour market

Yet she and the pseudo-liberal Mujahideen in the media were SERIOUSLY launching the unprecedented theory that if a profession is unpopular it must be useless for our economy or society

So if most people rather be doctors than car mechanics in the ‘non populist’ mind that is because everyone should be a doctor and car mechanics are not needed

This is the kind of ludicrous nonsense people like nime were supporting

This is the sort of politician they are still trying to sanctify today

And yet, I am the ‘populist’!

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Amidst all the mayhem, this train wreck of a politician thought her university reform was such a priority and that it was going so well that she decided to help her cause by engaging in anti-greek activism and propaganda in public schools!

Giannakou ensured no support would be coming her way from any sane, fiscally conservative or well-intentioned citizen

Neither was the education budget any issue

Read the terrorists’ proclamations

They are the true voice of December, not tsyriza

In a recent proclamation they were calling upon students who occupied high schools to stop using this and other semi-respectable demands as COVER for their true motive, which was and should be according to them, simply, that they ‘do not like school’.

December was about nihilism, stupidity, immaturity, barbarism, hooliganism and looting under the cover of obscure and bizarre pseudo-ideological ramblings

December was about NOTHING

And that is why the media and the opposition at the time loved it

Because being about nothing, it could also be about ANYTHING

It could be about Tsyriza exporting rather than solving its ideological crisis and confusion

It could be about PASOK pretending to be different from ND over an imaginary issue (as police brutality is in Greece) hoping to divert attention away from the fact it was and is clearly identical regarding all real issues.

(Correction: that is identical on those issues, for which it was not holding EVEN MORE UNPOPULAR positions than the government it was hoping to replace).

It could be about the Media making money and serving the political agenda of their owners most of whom built their fortunes under Pasok and were hoping to make more by forcing a regime change.

It could be about the media diverting attention away from the real issues facing greek society, and all the desolation the media themselves are causing, to imaginary themes fitting their agenda and channelling popular anger away from themselves and towards imaginary villains (this time it was cops – a couple of years ago it was priests etc.).

(only a couple of days before the death of Grigoropoulos, the complete absence of policing was made evident when the invasion in a family’s home, the torturing of the entire family and the butchering of the father was carried out by foreign criminals -imported en mass in Greece by the media- as arranged by the family’s foreign worker –also imported en mass in Greece by the media-. A few days later the media were raving about a police state!)

Expanding the budget?

Really? that’s what it was about?

Get real

The ‘evil conspiring elite’, as YOU put it, has already succeeded in massively expanding not only the education but all the services budget through mass uncontrolled immigration

They don’t need anarchists rioting

‘Progressives’ defending the no borders policy serve that purpose just fine, thank you

Plus we now have the GREEN GANGRENE blackmailing politicians though the useful idiots in the media for state funding to piss away while pretending they are saving the universe through ‘GREEN GANGRENE DEVELOPMENT’

NGOs blackmailing the state for funds to advocate the craziest ‘rights’ imagined for the craziest groups, spacial interests and minorities imagined

On the Right, fake ‘conservatives’ and ‘liberals’, pretend to reject ‘statism’ while advocating taxation(!) which makes sure the state can pay back the sums it continues to borrow while accumulating power through distribution of borrowed money

Greek anrchofascists should aspire to the ideological coherence and realism of islamofascist terrorists

Clearly trying to sell the notion that antisocial personality disorder has an underlying social context should qualify as ‘populism’ by nime’s definition

LOL

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